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Hi,

On 28/11/2019 11:49, Matteo Bonicolini wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think is better to make a port of empathy to hildonize it.


I think that might be interesting too.

> It is the fast way to do te app.


One thing to keep in mind is that currently we don't package a
hildonized gtk3 yet. I know some work had been done to make that happen,
but I can't find it right now.


> After this step we can make integration with gnome contact + empathy.
>
> I need to study the telepathy backend.


That makes sense.

> Another thing to do is upgrade hildon to render better standard linux
> gtk app in a mobile fashion. In this way may be easy to integrate
> Linux Desktop app environment in the phone.


When you use gtk2, you will see that this already kind of works.

PS: May I suggest you turn off digest mode, so that replies and threads
make more sense. Digest mode is useful for the casual reader, but if
we're to interact on the list, it's probably easier to turn it off.

Cheers,
Merlijn

>
> On 11/28/19, maemo-leste-request@???
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>>    1. Re: Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 (Matteo Bonicolini)
>>    2. Phone UI was Re:  Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
>>       (Pavel Machek)
>>    3. Library for ofono communication was Re: Maemo-Leste Digest,
>>       Vol 9, Issue 7 (Pavel Machek)
>>    4. Re: Library for ofono communication was Re: Maemo-Leste
>>       Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 (Merlijn Wajer)
>>    5. Re: Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1 (Merlijn Wajer)

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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:49:02 +0100
>> From: Matteo Bonicolini <bonkko@???>
>> To: maemo-leste@???
>> Subject: Re: [maemo-leste] Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1
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>> Yes.
>> In my opinion we can make the full application from zero. If the
>> library is ok there are no problem.
>>
>> For neo free runner there was
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Zhone_screenshots .
>> It should a be an inspiration.
>>
>> With lib should be easy to make the stuff.
>>
>> Hildon is gtk and I think it is better to use gtk.
>>
>> Also should be a good idea to integrate libpurple and other stuff for
>> voip and anonymity
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matteo Bonicolini.
>>
>> On 11/27/19, maemo-leste-request@???
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:41:32 +0100
>>> From: Matteo Bonicolini <bonkko@???>
>>> To: maemo-leste@???
>>> Subject: Re: [maemo-leste] Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
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>>>
>>> ======TOPIC OPHONO INTEGRATION======
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> my phone was broken and I rebuy it with some time to wait. We was
>>> agree to assign ophono integration as task for my startup in the
>>> distro.
>>>
>>> Now I see that someone started the development. I read the github and
>>> the ninth update.
>>>
>>> Can I follow and help with the ophono integration and the sms GUI?
>>>
>>> On 8/25/19, maemo-leste-request@???
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>>>>    1. Maemo Leste - Ninth Update (March till August) 2019
>>>>       (Merlijn Wajer)

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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:00:34 +0200
>>>> From: Merlijn Wajer <merlijn@???>
>>>> To: maemo-leste@???
>>>> Subject: [maemo-leste] Maemo Leste - Ninth Update (March till August)
>>>>     2019
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>>>> Hey everyone,
>>>>
>>>> There's a new blog/update post out:
>>>>
>>>> https://maemo-leste.github.io/maemo-leste-ninth-update-march-till-august-2019.html
>>>>
>>>> Sorry it took a while since the previous post, a lot of things were
>>>> happening and I also decided to postpone writing one several times to
>>>> instead write more code / software, but now feels like a good moment.
>>>>
>>>> If you've been considering helping out but haven't yet, now might be a
>>>> great time to dive in and join in on the fun? :-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Merlijn
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 09:12:45 +0100
>>> From: Merlijn Wajer <merlijn@???>
>>> To: maemo-leste@???
>>> Subject: Re: [maemo-leste] Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
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>>> Hi Matteo,
>>>
>>> On 26/11/2019 16:41, Matteo Bonicolini wrote:
>>>> ======TOPIC OPHONO INTEGRATION======
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> my phone was broken and I rebuy it with some time to wait. We was
>>>> agree to assign ophono integration as task for my startup in the
>>>> distro.
>>>
>>> Sorry to hear it broke, and glad to hear you have a new one now.
>>>
>>>> Now I see that someone started the development. I read the github and
>>>> the ninth update.
>>>
>>> I will try to follow up with another update soon.
>>>
>>>> Can I follow and help with the ophono integration and the sms GUI?
>>>
>>> We definitely need a UI for phone calls, SMS and contacts. I think I
>>> have the libgofono stuff handled - I at least need to clean up the code
>>> a bit more before it makes sense for others to dive in.
>>>
>>> We should probably start making a plan for this soon. We can try to
>>> reverse-engineer parts of existing Maemo in an attempt to make the UI
>>> the same (this is complicated by the fact that some parts require html
>>> engine, like SMS), but could be worth it.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, we can try to look at existing applications for dialer
>>> (phone), sms and contacts management. Maybe UBPorts has something usable.
>>>
>>> We could also create something ourselves.
>>>
>>> Freemangordon probably has opinions on this, too.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Merlijn
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:29:26 +0100
>> From: Pavel Machek <pavel@???>
>> To: Merlijn Wajer <merlijn@???>
>> Cc: maemo-leste@???
>> Subject: [maemo-leste] Phone UI was Re:  Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 9,
>>     Issue 7
>> Message-ID: <20191127212926.GA20612@amd>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

>>
>> Hi!
>>
>>>> Now I see that someone started the development. I read the github and
>>>> the ninth update.
>>>
>>> I will try to follow up with another update soon.
>>>
>>>> Can I follow and help with the ophono integration and the sms GUI?
>>>
>>> We definitely need a UI for phone calls, SMS and contacts. I think I
>>> have the libgofono stuff handled - I at least need to clean up the code
>>> a bit more before it makes sense for others to dive in.
>>>
>>> We should probably start making a plan for this soon. We can try to
>>> reverse-engineer parts of existing Maemo in an attempt to make the UI
>>> the same (this is complicated by the fact that some parts require html
>>> engine, like SMS), but could be worth it.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, we can try to look at existing applications for dialer
>>> (phone), sms and contacts management. Maybe UBPorts has something
>>> usable.
>>
>> If you want something simple, there's Unicsy Demo project (and ofone
>> inside). https://github.com/pavelmachek/unicsy_demo/tree/master/ofone
>>
>> I started rewriting it to rust, (tui repository, rfone).
>>
>> If you want "real" contacts application, I suggest looking at Gnome
>> contacts. Purism people made it working on a phone, and it should be
>> mainlined.
>>
>> They also have a gui for doing phones. Phosh, iirc; but they use
>> different backend, so that's probably not applicable.
>>
>> I'd definitely suggest _not_ starting "yet another phone shell".
>>
>> One thing I thought about... should the sms go into "mailbox" format?
>> So that common mail clients can be used to access them, concurrent
>> access works, imap works, etc? [Unfortunately, details are tricky].
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>                                     Pavel
>> --
>> (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
>> (cesky, pictures)
>> http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 22:39:23 +0100
>> From: Pavel Machek <pavel@???>
>> To: Merlijn Wajer <merlijn@???>
>> Cc: maemo-leste@???
>> Subject: [maemo-leste] Library for ofono communication was Re:
>>     Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
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>> Hi!
>>
>>>> Can I follow and help with the ophono integration and the sms GUI?
>>>
>>> We definitely need a UI for phone calls, SMS and contacts. I think I
>>> have the libgofono stuff handled - I at least need to clean up the code
>>> a bit more before it makes sense for others to dive in.
>>
>> libgofono... it would be nice to publish it somewhere. Not
>> neccessarily to dive in right now, but to see details like "what
>> language it is" etc...
>>
>> I tried something along those lines in Rust, but found out that mixing
>> Rust with Gtk+ is quite tricky.
>>
>> My Rust stuff is here:
>>
>> https://gitlab.com/tui/tui/tree/master/rfone
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>                                     Pavel
>> --
>> (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
>> (cesky, pictures)
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:18:27 +0100
>> From: Merlijn Wajer <merlijn@???>
>> To: Pavel Machek <pavel@???>
>> Cc: maemo-leste@???
>> Subject: Re: [maemo-leste] Library for ofono communication was Re:
>>     Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7
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>> Hi,
>>
>> On 27/11/2019 22:39, Pavel Machek wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>>> Can I follow and help with the ophono integration and the sms GUI?
>>>>
>>>> We definitely need a UI for phone calls, SMS and contacts. I think I
>>>> have the libgofono stuff handled - I at least need to clean up the code
>>>> a bit more before it makes sense for others to dive in.
>>>
>>> libgofono... it would be nice to publish it somewhere. Not
>>> neccessarily to dive in right now, but to see details like "what
>>> language it is" etc...
>>
>> It's written by the Mer/Jolla folks, we have a repo with a few (to be
>> send for review) patches here:
>>
>> https://github.com/maemo-leste/libgofono
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Merlijn
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:58:45 +0100 (CET)
>> From: Merlijn Wajer <merlijn@???>
>> To: Matteo Bonicolini <bonkko@???>
>> Cc: maemo-leste@???
>> Subject: Re: [maemo-leste] Maemo-Leste Digest, Vol 10, Issue 1
>> Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1911280353150.9344@???>
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>> Hi Matteo,
>>
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2019, Matteo Bonicolini wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.
>>> In my opinion we can make the full application from zero. If the
>>> library is ok there are no problem.
>>
>> We'll probably use telepathy as a backend. There is currently a GUI
>> client for it, called empathy, but it's not mobile ready (at all), but
>> it is features in some of news posts.
>> Telepathy also has an ofono plugin, and texts (and calls) should work with
>> that.
>>
>> Telepathy also does many of the things libpurple does - like IRC
>> accounts and other things.
>>
>> Maybe you can take a look at what Pavel recommends, I like the idea of
>> sharing code and if there is a readymade solution for contacts that we
>> can "hildonize", that could be interesting too.
>>
>> We might need to get the gtk3 port for hildon ready soon then, though.
>>
>>> For neo free runner there was
>>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Zhone_screenshots .
>>> It should a be an inspiration.
>>>
>>> With lib should be easy to make the stuff.
>>
>> I think that the dialer mostly needs to interface with telepathy.
>>
>>> Hildon is gtk and I think it is better to use gtk.
>>
>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> Also should be a good idea to integrate libpurple and other stuff for
>>> voip and anonymity
>>
>> I think Telepathy also does VOIP, I've tested that just a few days
>> ago.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Merlijn
>>
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