On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 08:02:05 -0500, Hendrik wrote in message
<20190102130204.dqkqd5xcu5npveca@???>:

> Starting new OT thread:
>
> n Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 07:42:51AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 02:50:27PM +0300, Andres Suarez wrote:
> > > В Ср, 02/01/2019 в 00:48 -0600, golinux@??? пишет:
> > > > On 2019-01-01 23:46, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote:
> > > > > On 02/01/2019, golinux@??? <golinux@???> wrote:
> > > > > > On 2019-01-01 21:37, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > > > > >     The degree of attentiveness we now
> > > > > > >     demand in our workplaces has been a positive trait
> > > > > > > for only a couple centuries, and genetics hasn't caught
> > > > > > > up. So blame is counterproductive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I beg to differ. It's not in the genetics.  It's in how we
> > > > > > choose to live. The level of consciousness in parts of the
> > > > > > world hundreds of years
> > > > > > BC surpasses what we are capable of today.

..I would blame reality shows, soap operas and quickie TV news for much
of this development over the last 45 years I've seen this coming, they
discourage learning, compassion and wisdom, and encourage cleverness,
mocking, intrigues, "climate change critique" and fear of "terrorism"
needed to prepare taxpaying Joe Sixpacks for the "inevitable" narrative
"that it is too late to save" those hardest hit by climate change used
as a tool for racism, "we must concentrate on what we can save, our own
with the unfortunate but neccessary force", which will work fine on
CO2, and leaves the surviving "master race" shit out of luck and the
manpower needed to contain the permafrost methane gas in and around
the Arctic Ocean.

..do the gas math on this chicken race now, and act on it now
while we can fix it, or wind up like the Jews in Auschwitz.

> > > > > > Our individual
> > > > > > traits/skills/talents are the resultants of the quality of
> > > > > > our past actions over millennia. IOW we start a life with
> > > > > > what what is commensurate to whom we have been. So choose
> > > > > > wisely.
>
> I certainly am not millenia old; my actions don't data back even a
> hundred years,

..these days we are able to learn from history and science and draw our
own conclusions on e.g. how to fit rocks together as nicely as in Mayan
and Egyptic pyramids in the alleged Pharaoic time frame, or on Atlantis
washed away by megatsunamis from volcanos, Greenland ice sheet asteroid
impacts, Storegga subsea landslides or common sea level rise overtopping
the Bosporus land bridge damming off the alleged Biblical Deluge, or on
the number of remote controlled airliner hijackings on 9/11...:
https://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/


..to convict Osama bin Laden under US Law, you must prove beyond any
reasonable doubt, that the number of remote controlled airliner
hijackings on 9/11 is zero, which again requires the recovery of all
bits 'n pieces of the avionics aboard all 4 hijacked airliners, to
prove said bits 'n pieces never contained the hardware nor the software
neccessary to use this 1984 remote control technology on 9/11/2001...



> > > > > > golinux
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What 'consciousness' you are talking about?!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am talking about the consciousness/awareness that receives
> > > > data in the form of eye:sights, ear:sounds, nose:smells,
> > > > tongue:tastes, body:physical sensations and mind:thoughts. It
> > > > is the mere reception of these stimuli that turns our inner
> > > > world and outer world so it's to our advantage to get to know
> > > > the interaction between stimulation and response intimately.
> > > >
> > > > Without great awareness in the present moment, we are carried
> > > > along by emotional reactions to events instead of actually
> > > > knowing and understanding them. More often than not, that
> > > > impulsive reactiveness brings us much misery and pain. But if
> > > > that same consciousness is harnessed to focus on this
> > > > never-ending stream of events moment to moment, it begins to
> > > > understand them in a very different way and changes the mind at
> > > > a fundamental level.
> > > >
> > > > The ability to touch that understanding has declined over the
> > > > last 2500+ years and there will come a time when that knowledge
> > > > will be forgotten. But it will be rediscovered sometime in the
> > > > very distant future because it it cyclical as all things are.
> > > >
> > > > golinux
> > > >
> > > Beg pardon for the interruption: but actually that ability has
> > > increased in the last millennia. What hominids had 2500+ years
> > > ago was a primitive sense of reality, which gave rise to all that
> > > mysticism which prevails so far. Consciousness, defined as
> > > advanced awareness, was the last part to develop.
> > >
> > > That function allows you to build "Devuan Linux" instead of
> > > mixing with the sheep.
> >
>
> THose interested in looking into the development of consciousness
> further should probably start by reading "The Strange Order of
> Thinkg" by Antonio Damasio.

..you meant "The Strange Order of Things: Life, Feeling, and the Making
of Cultures",[19][20] Pantheon, 2018:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Damasio#Books

> It is speculative, but at least grounded in what's currently known
> about evolution and neuroscience.
>
> -- hendrik


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..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.