Jimmy.

I don't know where you have that anger and hatred towards me from, but I
answer nonetheless:

Jimmy Johnson - 21.10.18, 10:43:
> On 10/21/18 12:25 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
[… most outrage and hatred towards me skipped …]
> > None of the Devuan developers would let go of the important stuff in
> > order to write an systemd unit parser… so… of course you can insist
> > on discussing it endlessly. I just ask: Is this what you would
> > really like to do?
>
> What's your interest? Do you want to help rid systemd?

No. I am interested in helping Devuan and Debian cooperate in keeping
sysvinit maintained and I am interested in runit.

I do not care about Systemd, other than what is necessary to provide
slides for my Linux trainings. Which are distro agnostic. I also mention
alternatives to Systemd like runit as well as the discussion around
introducing Systemd in Debian, I mention Devuan and I mention eudev, I
mention elogind. As RHEL, SLES and Debian/Ubuntu have Systemd, RHEL and
SLES only, Debian/Ubuntu as default, I provide slides for Systemd. Cause
that is what most admins in my trainings use or have to use, even tough
some of them do not agree with it. I still keep the slides about
Sysvinit around.

Any energy I put into resisting Systemd I rather put into helping to
keep the alternatives alive and mediating between Debian and Devuan to
help to facilitate a long overdue healing process.

> > How would it look like if we all just accept that some like to use
> > Systemd and some do not like to use or install it? Everyone for
> > their
> > own reasons with themselves are neither inherently right or wrong.
>
> For one thing if you like systemd then you are in the wrong group
> period.

While I do like some aspects and functionality of Systemd, I do not
agree with the all-in-one, non-portable, only Linux approach and with
the strong dependencies it encourages to create, for example between
desktop and Systemd. And I see that runit has most of the functionality
I like about Systemd, but in a way more flexible and modular way.

I am not into the all-or-nothing approach I see with Systemd quite
often.

> > So are you ready to just let go of it… and move on with whatever is
> > really important to you? Are you ready to focus on what you self can
> > do, instead of insisting to control how other people spend their
> > time?
> What do you care? Really what are you doing here? You use Debian
> upstream. How can you possibly help support a systemd free OS?

Two of my server VMs run Devuan Ascii. Since months. The other one I
currently migrate off from, the 32-bit Debian Stretch server VM which
started as Debian 5 or 6 and that is going to send this mail, is running
sysvinit since quite some time again. This laptop is still running
Systemd but I ponder to migrate it do Devuan as well.

But of course you can believe what you like. No matter, what the facts
actually are. Also you are completely free not to believe any word I
say. I see no reason to prove to you what my systems are running.

It is entirely your choice whether you'd like to engage in anger and
hatred towards me or do *yourself* a favor and let go of it. It is
entirely your choice whether you'd like to continue to suffer or to let
go of it.

The same as it is my choice to let go of being the target for your
anger. The same as it is my choice, to opt out of the hurting cycle.

It is entirely my choice to focus on helping to bring the healing
process along. And I will mediate and let go to also facilitate the
healing process between us as well. Cause believe it, or not:

I love you too.

Thank you.
--
Martin