On Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:04:15 +0200
"Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult" <metux@???> wrote:

> On 10.10.2018 13:20, Rowland Penny wrote:
>
> Hi,
>

> > You could just have said: 
> >  * people against <something> shall be banned/silenced, as they're
> >    discriminating/against <something>.

> >
> > Instead of that long list.
>
> I did this to illustrate that <something> can quickly become a very
> long list. By the way, the list in the Kernel CoC is also very
> incomplete (and it didn't even define what terms like
> 'discrimination' etc actually should mean there - just a bunch of
> rubber rules).
>
> >> Those demands usually come from 'leftist' groups (mostly
> >> beaurocrats,
> >
> > Most bureaucrats are, in my opinion, rightist
>
> Not my experience. Despite the fact that those categories are *very*
> context-sensitive, most beaurocrats I had to cope with are actually
> great fans of "Gleichschaltung" (can't really translate this - means
> something along force everything into the same structure/mindset, make
> force individual to be small, replacable, pieces of a big machinery),
> IOW: enemies of indivudualism. A bad example of this, here in Germany,
> was the era of (National)*Socialism*. Most big corporations I've seen
> so far are actually socialistic inside.

Are you trying to tell me that Junker etc are leftist ? pull the other
one, its got bells on.

>
> > This totally depends on your point of view, it could be said that
> > Harris was just responding to things like the Blitz, the V1 and V2
> > etc,
>
> No. He already did this long before WW2 in other countries, eg.
> against tribal villages in Iraq, Arabia, Palestine, etc. (where he
> also used chemical weapons). And he enjoyed this (said this himself!).
>
> In WW2 he deliberately bombed militarily insignificant cities. There
> was no military value in that - ist was just a direct mass termination
> of (often wounded and sick) civilians - mothers, children, old people.
> In short: a genocide.
>
> Forbidden eg. by the Washington Treaty and Hague Conventions !
>
> This guy even declared burning down large citites - including their
> civil, unarmed, inhabitants - a 'comparatively humane method', because
> he claimed to have saved some British soldiers.

So blitzing London wasn't the same ?

>
> > You also have to accept it was a part of the largest war this world
> > has ever seen.
>
> Yes, it was part of that horrible war. We also have to accept, that
> also the allied, who still declare themselves as 'the only good
> people', did massive genocide. And we have to accept the fact that
> their goal wasn't 'freeing Germany and Europe from National
> Socialism', but the total destruction of Germany as a central power.
> (actually, this was already the goal of WW1). It's written in their
> own documents.

The first world war was a 'family' argument, pity the family were the
royal houses of Europe.
The second world war was caused by a little dictator that wanted the
whole of Europe (including most of Russia). Lets be perfectly honest
here, Germany started both world wars.

>
> Over here in Germany, anybody who talks about that, is automatically
> declared 'Nazi' by the leftists (those who call yet for another Bomber
> Harris) and risk being hunted down on the street.

You should be free to discuss anything you like, it is some actions
that need to be banned.

>
> >> With that background, things like 'CoC's make my alarm bells ring
> >> very louldly. Of course, I don't believe that any of the kernel
> >> maintainers belong to those groups. But it feels they might be
> >> somewhat under some 'social pressure'.
> >
> > A CoC shouldn't be needed, ever.
>
> ACK. The kernel community worked very well for the last decades.
>
> And I don't think that any FOSS project should be some 'social
> justice' playground. If people wanna have that, they can easily
> create their own projects for such purposes.
>

We have a saying: Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

Basically treat others as you would like to be treated, you don't need
a Coc for that.

Rowland