On 10.10.2018 13:20, Rowland Penny wrote:

Hi,

> You could just have said: 
>  * people against <something> shall be banned/silenced, as they're
>    discriminating/against <something>.

>
> Instead of that long list.

I did this to illustrate that <something> can quickly become a very long
list. By the way, the list in the Kernel CoC is also very incomplete
(and it didn't even define what terms like 'discrimination' etc actually
should mean there - just a bunch of rubber rules).

>> Those demands usually come from 'leftist' groups (mostly beaurocrats,
>
> Most bureaucrats are, in my opinion, rightist

Not my experience. Despite the fact that those categories are *very*
context-sensitive, most beaurocrats I had to cope with are actually
great fans of "Gleichschaltung" (can't really translate this - means
something along force everything into the same structure/mindset, make
force individual to be small, replacable, pieces of a big machinery),
IOW: enemies of indivudualism. A bad example of this, here in Germany,
was the era of (National)*Socialism*. Most big corporations I've seen so
far are actually socialistic inside.

> This totally depends on your point of view, it could be said that
> Harris was just responding to things like the Blitz, the V1 and V2 etc,

No. He already did this long before WW2 in other countries, eg. against
tribal villages in Iraq, Arabia, Palestine, etc. (where he also used
chemical weapons). And he enjoyed this (said this himself!).

In WW2 he deliberately bombed militarily insignificant cities. There
was no military value in that - ist was just a direct mass termination
of (often wounded and sick) civilians - mothers, children, old people.
In short: a genocide.

Forbidden eg. by the Washington Treaty and Hague Conventions !

This guy even declared burning down large citites - including their
civil, unarmed, inhabitants - a 'comparatively humane method', because
he claimed to have saved some British soldiers.

> You also have to accept it was a part of the largest war this world has
> ever seen.

Yes, it was part of that horrible war. We also have to accept, that also
the allied, who still declare themselves as 'the only good people', did
massive genocide. And we have to accept the fact that their goal wasn't
'freeing Germany and Europe from National Socialism', but the total
destruction of Germany as a central power. (actually, this was already
the goal of WW1). It's written in their own documents.

Over here in Germany, anybody who talks about that, is automatically
declared 'Nazi' by the leftists (those who call yet for another Bomber
Harris) and risk being hunted down on the street.

>> With that background, things like 'CoC's make my alarm bells ring very
>> louldly. Of course, I don't believe that any of the kernel maintainers
>> belong to those groups. But it feels they might be somewhat under
>> some 'social pressure'.
>
> A CoC shouldn't be needed, ever.

ACK. The kernel community worked very well for the last decades.

And I don't think that any FOSS project should be some 'social justice'
playground. If people wanna have that, they can easily create their
own projects for such purposes.


--mtx