Hi,

I think this is simply someone in Debian recognising that they have
holes in information about derivatives.

My thoughts are that we should participate, as it will do a lot to help
smooth things over and give credence to our concerns, and be seen to be
cooperative with debian.

Also by listing Devuan as an official derivative of Debian, we gain a
big benefit in allaying the concern that we are a small team maintaining
a big distrobution on it's own. (I have had this discussion with some
of my clients, who were concerned about Devuans sustainability. What
convinced them to allow my use of Devuan for there systems was that most
Debian packages are used unchanged, and where there where changes they
are trivial changes to the Debian sources in order to remove the binary
dependency of systemd.

From what I can tell looking at the CensusQA templates, they will
actually inform us of issues and announcements as they arise which would
be very useful.

Thus I think there is nothing to lose and much to gain by participating
in the process. It will provide us with much needed information about
what is going on in Debian, and provide us with a better relationship
from which we can assert the need to prevent debian maintainers from
going out of their way to break non-systemd packages.

I'd be happy to take the lead in getting us listed as a derivative of
Debian. (This does not mean we are walking back in any way the claim to
have forked Debian, just acknowledging Devuans heritage, and continuing
commonality with debian.)

Regards,
    Daniel.

On 30/09/18 21:20, Jaromil wrote:
>
> dear devs,
>
> we receive this from a Debian volunteer
>
> do we want to enter the census as a 'derivative'?
>
> I disagree with this, since I think we are not, but ask you here nevertheless
>
> also there is a strange detail in this mail, which was sent in HTML
> and rendered by my mail client using w3m: the first link to devuan.org
> has a href pointing to mxlinux.org. I really hope they won't include
> us by mistake with a wrong link now.
>
> curious about your opinion. the origin of the mail is left out for
> privacy (is a personal gmail account for some reason)
>
> ----- Forwarded message -----
>
> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:17:12 +0530
> To: onelove@???
> Cc: debian-derivatives@???
> Subject: Devuan: invitation to join the Debian derivatives census
>

>    Hi,
>    I note that you are producing a software distribution based on Debian.

>

>    [1]https://devuan.org/
>    [2]https://www.debian.org/

>

>    I would like to invite you to add your distribution to the Debian
>    derivatives census, which attempts to gather detailed information
>    about Debian derivatives that is useful to Debian, for integration of
>    that information into Debian infrastructure and for the development of
>    relationships between Debian and our derivatives. In addition we will
>    be doing some QA on the data that you enter into the census.

>

>    [3]https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
>    [4]https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Integration
>    [5]https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/CensusQA

>

>    Please direct any questions you have to the derivatives list or IRC
>    channel. We strongly encourage you to join both of these.

>

>    [6]https://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives
>    ircs://[7]irc.oftc.net/debian-derivatives
>    Thanks

>
> References
>

>    Visible links
>    1. https://mxlinux.org/
>    2. https://www.debian.org/
>    3. https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census
>    4. https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Integration
>    5. https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/CensusQA
>    6. https://lists.debian.org/debian-derivatives
>    7. http://irc.oftc.net/debian-derivatives

>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
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