On 170716-12:10+0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 22:46:14 -0700, Rick wrote in message
> <20170716054614.GI28185@???>:
>
> > Quoting Miroslav Rovis (miro.rovis@???):
> >
> > > But pls. people, I don't understand Latin so well... Nor have time
> > > to study. Already breaking down tired from lots of work with
> > > polishing my Devuan today... Could you pls. translate. There'll be
> > > others who would benefit...
> >
> > OK, but I'll warn that putting it in a living language makes it seem
> > like in-your-face polemics rather than a sly antiquarian joke. It
> > say, in deliberately bad Anglo-leaning Latin:
> >

> >    'The man in the White House, who is angry and has fake hair, is
> >    dishonourable and a danger to the country.'

Thank you for the translation.

And of the verses from Aeneid by Virgil, below, which are great.

> > > I'm referring to also:
> > >
> > > Renaud OLGIATI wrote:
> > > > Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit... ;-3)
> >
> > 'Perhaps it will be pleasant to remember these things some day.'
> >
> > It's what Aeneas tells his exhausted, shipwrecked followers in
> > _The Aeneid_, book 1. (Renaud/Ron is quite the wit. I doff my hat.)
> >
> > > > Ave atque vale,
> >
> > And that is the great poet Gaius Valerius Catullus's famous elegaic
> > couplet, meaning 'hail and farewell.'

I will learn Latin, and do other things, just, learning to use Devuan/(Gentoo
previously) GNU/Linux still takes huge share of my time with little left for
other things in life. But it is a powerful tool, and I have been using
GNU/Linux effectively for many years. Haven't wasted the time, but it is huge
share in my schedule...

I will learn Latin, but my first book to read in Latin will be _Vulgata_ by St
Jerome. Can't trust modern translations of Bible, actually so much undeserving
of trust that they verge on disgusting... (not saying that like a theologian
which I'm not, but like a regular Catholic Church goer who listens to the
reading from the Bible attentively on daily Mass; some of us are just as
attentive to the literature known as the Holy Scripture as our Protestant
relatives in religion).

> ..sissy. ;o)
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22Sissy+Boy+Traitor%22+OR+%22the+Nepotist+Warrior+Ace%22+OR+%22Flew+So+High+and+Far+he+Missed+Vietnam%22&ia=web
> http://www.groklaw.net/search.php?query=Sissy+Boy+George&keyType=phrase&datestart=&dateend=&topic=0&type=all&author=0&mode=search
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130618195646575#c1049951 ;oD

I don't see how the stop and search on pilots can be blamed straight on Trump.

The drone assassinations, however, can be put squarely on Obama, and those
really escalated during his presidency. Obama really was the Drone President...
Due to Devuan taking huge share of my time, I have not followed how Trump fares
in the use of drones, nor if the President's approval is still needed for drone
assassinations.

Lots of things to object to Trump, but would Hillary really have been the
better choice?

For us Croats, I have to say it was a good thing, that our President Kolinda,
and we are just 4 1/2 million of people, was about the main organizer for the
meeting of Visegrád Group, in Poland, a week or so ago, where President Trump
participated. I was proud. Would have been proud if it had been President
Hillary instead, equally proud... I respect American President as an
institution.

Still, I don't think Trump is so very bad.

Also I say openly: NATO is better than Russia. And Russia has no right to
occupy Ukraine, which they continue to do. But... Putin is a killer, and a
neocommunist... wants to revive the Soviet Empire...

We, Croatians, have been in our ancestral land for more than thirteen
centuries, we came from Iran (way before Islam, pls.), and are only as much
Slavic as we mixed (a lot, we mixed a lot) with the Ukrainians and Polish
ancestors of those lands in Europe where we stopped before reaching to the
lands where we live now, from Central Europe fringes to the Adriatic Sea, but
we are not related to Russians. We are most related to exactly Ukrainians.

And for a conscious Croat like me, I feel both the hungercide on Ukrainians in
the XX century during Stalin, and this occupation in exactly those lands that
were vacated by the hunger-killings of millions of Ukrainians, an affront... As
if on my own nation. (There are volonteer Croats fighting for Ukraine, I
support them.)

I'm not belligerent, but there can be military actions that are justified
because they are in defence of the civilian population, by means of threat, or
by use of real force.

Trump squarely made Assad the Syrian president understand that gas attacks on
civilian population won't be tollerated by launching precision strikes on
Syrian military facilities. I approved of that move, months ago now. I still
praise it. Obama never had the guts for such an action. Obama failed in that
region, and Syria made Russia's military prowess come to the fore... (Well
there's more to it, but it would be too complex to recount.) And now it's even
worse with the dictator in Turkey making pacts with Russia...

Back to Europe. We, the non-populous nations, depend on great forces, and on
bigger players in Europe, i.e. the United States and other world superpowers
and the leaders of most populous nations of Europe: Germany, France, Great
Britain and others.

It was nice to see how the slaughter of Kosovo Albanians by Serbian military
and paramilitary was stopped by American intervention. That was a justified
military action, by the American military and allies. I think the bombing of
Belgrade, however, was an excess, and shouldn't have happened...

The saddest thing in recent history was the genocide of Bosnian Muslims, again
by Serbian forces, was allowed to go on effectively before the eyes of the
world, in Srebrenica in mid July 1995. It was a genocide de facto allowed by
world powers of the day.

But when it comes to military vs civilian lives... The generals and the nation
leaders (of the Dutch in this case, and of the French in the other case below,
just read) will regularly barter a single soldier of their own's life for
thousands of civilians... The life of any Dutch soldier in Srebrenica, mildly
at risk, or of any French soldier in Rwanda, mildly at risk, back in 1980s (or
whatever the year of the Rwandan genocide), was way, way more important for
them than thousands of Bosnian Muslim prisoners held by the Serbian forces and
being taken to slaughter, and the powerful men of the day, in the United
Nations Security Council and in the residencies of the most powerful nations'
leaders agreed to let the killings of those thousands go on unsanctioned...
Gruesome killings, that went on for days on end, with the world knowing fully
about them as they were happening... Shame, shame, shame!

United States of America is important in the world. There is one thing that
people tend to forgo when United States is the topic.

The democracy started being a model with the United States becoming a country.
And it is now the standard in the world.

A religious person as I am, I do see U.S.A. kind of as having been allowed or
even planned and put forward as good example by the Almighty.

But of course, it's far from black and white.

Still, even though it is very far from black and white, get your mind to take a
deep steady gaze at the October revolution in Russia in 1918 (IIRC).

What disaster! And how strong that disaster established itself in Russia, and
how bloody. And how it spread, through the decades, to half a Europe, including
my Croatia, which was part of the artificial Yugoslavia "nation" in XX century.
And how many victims it reaped! The National Socialists of Germany are mere
apprentices in comparison to Stalin, as well as in comparison to Tito (just
scale his murders by the size of the region pls.)!

And now go back to the story of how the United States of America became, and
how it fared. Way, way better that story is than the story of Communist Russia.

Add to that that Putin is a former KGB, a provable killer of dissidents in and
outside of his country. And the powers in Russia are held by such as him to
this day!

A story of light, by origin at least, and not of darkness, the American one,
even though some darkness mixed in, as surely some light came to be in all the
darkeness of the Russian example, on the fringes of the Communist half Europe
mostly, not in the central really... Until Gorbachev dismantled it, that is...

Regards!

--
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
https://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr