On 06/21/2017 12:12 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2017 20 Jun 12:48 -0500, Joachim Fahrner wrote:
>
>> I disagree. This should be a task for gnome developers, if they want to be
>> compatible with non-systemd systems (FreeBSD, Devuan...). If they don't,
>> then forget Gnome. ANY developer outside of the gnome team will ALWAYS be
>> behind the actual development, resulting in unstable ports. I would not
>> accept such ugly "third party workarounds".
> I agree with Jochen. Should the GNOME developers determine that they
> would like to reach the largest number of users possible, then they will
> patch their code accordingly. Until that time, chasing their taillights
> is not a productive endeavor.
>
> Earlier in the thread Bruce brought up sysD APIs. What are the APIs
> that sysD has implemented that are proving irresistible to other
> developers. I know there is discussion of logind. As Bruce asserts,
> any of these could be implemented independently. That said, we need to
> ask ourselves, would the sysD developers "improve" their API and break
> backward compatibility? I think if we look at the history of the
> projects mentioned in this thread that the answer is a disheartening,
> yes, yes they would do so.
>
> I will reiterate my earlier comment. For those who believe that Devuan
> is somehow lacking without GNOME et. al., Debian is a short download
> away. I say that not with malice or condescension, but with sincerity
> that your experience will be better with Debian as the Debian developers
> have committed the project to support GNOME in full. Devuan has chosen
> another path. Please respect that.
>
> - Nate
To be honest, I already sad this once, but, yea gnome is not needed that
badly nor is kde for that matter. mhm