I can't say I like either of them, but I think you all give Trump entirely
too much credit. He doesn't have a plan, he knows nothing about foreign
policy, the laws, or even have any political experience. He has a
republican majority in the House and Senate, but half of them hate him. So
it would be a surprise if he even gets anything done. Trump is going to do
the only thing Trump is good at which is look after himself.

I didn't vote for Clinton either, but I can understand why people are
protesting. This is the fourth time in US history that the president elect
lost the popular vote. So technically in a true democracy Hillary Clinton
would have been President. I think she gets what she deserves though. Her
and her cronies rigged the primaries and shoved Hillary down our throats.
So this is what happens when you have the weakest candidate against the
most unpopular candidate. It's just a race to the bottom. Any previous
candidate from either major party would have won by a landslide. Even Zach
Galifianakis couldn't make Hillary Clinton seem charming. She has negative
charisma. And that's not even getting into her awful career in politics,
the scandal after scandal, the blatant corruption that would've made
Richard Nixon blush, and the alienation of half her own party. A sack of
potatoes could've beat Donald Trump, but she deserves to lose.

-Robert

On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:

>
>
> On 10/11/16 16:31, voize wrote:
>
>> Caleb,
>>
>> I expected a wave of hate-crime after the election, anti-trump riots
>>> caught me off guard. Now I see this is following the typical strong-man
>>> pattern.
>>>
>>> People out in the streets rioting and burning things, the trump voters
>>> become more and more convinced that he is the only person who can keep
>>> the country together. We can expect Guliani or Arpaio being nominated
>>> and saying "this lawless will stop!"...
>>>
>>
>> what do you mean by strong-man pattern?
>>
>
>
> He's following the same path as typical "strong man" presidents like
> Erdogan or Hussain... basically a politician who rules with an iron fist
> but is honestly re-elected because the quiet majority sees him as the only
> way to keep the violent political minority from turning the country to
> chaos.
>
>
>
>> The protests besides being #fucktrump is also #whitewon. As if Trump
>> voters needed more fuel! Were they so surprised that half the country
>> actually turned out the be unhappier and angrier than they are? 'Lets go
>> retake that mantle!' - The Revolutionary known as Katy Perry
>>
>> Yes, when the new American Revolution comes along, it will be lead by
>> pop singers.
>>
>> I'm kind of worried that the 'race war' will take front row instead of
>> the neoliberal vs republicans
>>
>
>
> Wouldn't be surprising, people behave like this when under pressure.
>
>
>
>> I'm somehow excited to see the power struggle which ensues as it seems
>>> quite clear that Trump is not a friend of The Washington People...
>>> He got only 4% of the vote in DC. Nassim Taleb said after the election
>>> that Goldman Sachs and the Saudis are the big losers so this could be
>>> significant.
>>>
>>
>> I didnt know about the Nassim Taleb bit and Goldman Sachs bit! But I'd
>> imagine it is thus. I would imagie Trump doesnt need to take cash from
>> anyone, he's going to do business as usual.
>>
>
>
> Figure if Goldman collapses, so does the Euro. In negotiation that's a
> Trump card (heh) and he'll probably use it to get immunity from judges
> mettling with his presidency...
>
>
> Exciting times...
> Caleb
>
>
>
>
>> I expect the big tension will be between Trump and the judiciary.
>>>
>>> Laws are broken all of the time in the executive branch but it's easy
>>> for the judiciary to look the other way when the violations are coming
>>> from an educated, socially tollerant thoughtful person like Obama or
>>> Clinton. Seen as a brute, we can expect the judiciary to try to hold
>>> Trump to the Constitution much more strictly.
>>>
>>> But the Constitution is a double-edged sword. Trump speaks about
>>> closure of the Department of Education and the EPA which we must recall
>>> are not specifically prescribed by the Constitution and so the 10th
>>> ammendment puts them in legally questionable territory... Not to
>>> mention the Federal Reserve.
>>>
>>> Trump is not good at much but he is good at scorched earth negotiation.
>>> I expect there will be some hints of "maybe we will audit the FED"
>>> which will be used as bargaining chips to trade for a more complacent
>>> judiciary.
>>>
>>> Trump's major challenge will be to build a new Washington Consensus and
>>> critically to ensure that everyone involved will have investment in
>>> this consensus so they cannot turn on him after agreements have been
>>> made.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Caleb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/11/16 06:37, voize wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, what the fuck kids? There are protests in major US cities right
>>>> now with the hashtag #notmypresident. Liberals are all over the streets
>>>> when theyre precious democratic voting system actually worked. its not
>>>> the middle east... lol. sorry. People in the middle east revolt because
>>>> they have a 1 party system with 1 ruler for decades. What the fuck are
>>>> these people protesting? that more than half of their countrymen had an
>>>> opportunity to vote? I want to hear their demands. Do they want a
>>>> United Cities of America?
>>>>
>>>> There's also the LGBT and black communities rolling with the antiwhite
>>>> platform (even though all candidates were white).
>>>>
>>>> AND... What bothers me the most: Im looking at my normal anarchist
>>>> media (stimulator.tv, /r/anarchism in particular) and theyre going with
>>>> fascist anti-Trump and lets do some insurrection now. I feel like these
>>>> anarchists are totally missing an opportunity to fuck with the system by
>>>> not celebrating Trump's ascension into the whitehouse. As a result, I
>>>> feel more like a lone anarchist than ever; distanced from the apt-get
>>>> install anarchism ive always been friends with. I feel like I've come
>>>> full-circle in politics, and I'm now closer to my home conservative
>>>> state than ever. I'm actually proud that they've upset this city culture
>>>> in light of the extremely biased media.
>>>>
>>>> I really give thanks to this mailing list for what it is. Ive met some
>>>> of you in person at bitcoin conferences or wherever and and youve become
>>>> my biggest hope for having friends with whom i really feel at home.
>>>> Unsystem is what defines me and is my life project.
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to hear what everyone else thinks.
>>>>
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