Emotional post-elections feels never fails almost on the people who keep
hope on the (voting) system. ;-)

voize:
> AND... What bothers me the most: Im looking at my normal anarchist
> media (stimulator.tv, /r/anarchism in particular) and theyre going with
> fascist anti-Trump and lets do some insurrection now. I feel like these
> anarchists are totally missing an opportunity to fuck with the system by
> not celebrating Trump's ascension into the whitehouse. As a result, I
> feel more like a lone anarchist than ever; distanced from the apt-get
> install anarchism ive always been friends with. I feel like I've come
> full-circle in politics, and I'm now closer to my home conservative
> state than ever. I'm actually proud that they've upset this city culture
> in light of the extremely biased media

Well. Easy method to don't bother you is that if you don't like these
groups just go out and join (or keep building) others.

Looks a stupid reply maybe (or best pragmatic ones) but I think that we
need (as a global community) nowadays to update a lot of stuff. As for
example; anarchist global thinking, tools/networks/relationships...

Review that will help us to understand whats happen with our symbols,
communities, tactics, etc and if they are working as expected or not.

Also we have some "old" anarchism ideas that we need to re-think because
they never realized (theories/practices) to be on a Worldwide network as
humanity.

And we talked before about that our challenge to subvert capitalism
should be done as one unique step: "United as one. Divided by zero."

For example, at some pragmatic level point has no sense to keep riots
(because of the energy required and how they are managed/conducted
violently/repressively/mediatically/politically by corrupts) on a place
if the other places doesn't react at same time. That is nowadays on our
general anarchist knowledge I think.

But if they are doing it (as right now), we should try to correctly
connect and conduct them searching for a world butterfly effect. So some
kind of encourage can be very positive in general for us.

Maybe EU "middle class" citizens are watching USA elections as a TV
show, but you should understand that others are still realizing whats
really happening with the biggest military industrial complex on planet
earth.

Both are need but not for same goals so try to classify "riots" on a
conceptual level of demand.

I think that this will help you to understand and accept on a better
way, whatever "reaction" (look that this riots happening right now
across USA are not an action) related with the capitalist system.

Trump causes at the top-level of emotional feels, two required needs to
create chaos: fear (street reactions comes on this way) and uncertainty
(see how global market stocks are reacting to their election).

So at some point, we as anarchists can identify some possibilities for
our tactics (involving global chaos) that this retarded millionaire is
representing perfectly.

He is the prototype of capitalistic male humans: he has a plane with a
golden WC, a lot of money and properties, a top model wife, a son
representing legacy and mentoring, etc.

Is the best "American dream" drama actor to represent failed humanity
future (Film recommended: Idiocracy).

The problem is that now he is controlling senate and congress to rule
us, american citizens but also to the rest of the world.

So we need to understand that having Trump and Clinton as possible
choice is a previous mistake because both are representing the same
false "order" (because only anarchy can provides us real order), but
first one is the most "chaotic" of them. So let's try to use Trump's
symbology as a puppet for our interests.

Try to be positive: is only on a chaotic future when we have
opportunities to rise up! ;-)

[..]

veleiro:
> I'm not concerned about bitcoin growing but I am concerned when entities
> in the bitcoin community think that 75% consensus before rules activate
> or whatever % bitcoin unlimited/classic thinks these days is an
> acceptable consensus number, when Bitcoin Core is doing 95%? on segwit
> consensus, and they get shit for it?

Veleiro, we mentioned Bookchin on this mailing list before. I recommend
you to review what he wrote about "consensus".

More or less he explains that is tool that can be very useful for some
short-medium size communities, creating an important feel of "unity"
(common self-realization) on them, but that also it can be a disaster
when communities grow.

I think that you should understand % regulators on bitcoin community as
a political reflex on how community (common-unity) environment is on
that moment.

Let's play an easy thinking game; first, change numbers. 75% means 3 of
4. Now change community situation. Imagine that you are the one who
dissent. Finally think that your life is in risk depending on who you
manage that dissent and how community reacts to it. Finally, tell to
youself; "Is that 75% consensus still ok for me?".

On the reply you will find a tool to "resize" consensus when is based on
majorities. This can helps you to contextualize better other involving
factors.

For example, maybe a 75% is ok for an electronic community system but on
my point of view it probably needs to be a bit more high (85%) on that
case, because bitcoin communty has a real impact outside electronic world.

Remember that is not easy to get consensus under subjetive perspectives.