On 07/19/2016 05:29 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Arnt Gulbrandsen (arnt@???):
>> Simon Walter writes:
>>
>>> Oh the insolence. Amazing. "You're holding it wrong" comes to
>>> mind. There is this guy named Lennart who might agree with you.
>>
>> Quite likely he might, he's not stupid after all. And I agree too:
>> Multiseat is unimportant, barely significant. The price of computers
>> has dropped enough that the ones with UIs are now personal devices.
>
> Might be obvious, but just mentioning: 'Multiseat' (GNOME/system
> implementation of which proximately caused the systemd-logind
> omnishambles of several years ago) needs to be distinguished from
> multiuser.
>
> Unix has been inherently, by design, _multiuser_ since its beginning, and
> I for one would be quite sad if my Linux servers were suddenly 'personal
> devices': E.g., a Web / SMTPd / ftpd / sshd / rsyncd / NTPd server like
> the one in my garage suddenly failing to serve remote users would be a
> misfortune.
>
> I have to confess that I personally didn't understand how multiseat
> differs from multiuser on Linux until quite recently. Pro bono publico:
> It concerns simultaneous _local_ users.

Does that include serial devices? I remember working at a factory where
the computer controlled saws, conveyor belts, and other machines in each
production line would communicate via serial interfaces with a server.
IIRC, they were using SunOS. Of course a very unique use case that has
nothing to do with normal "users" and "desktops".

My point was simply that if Devaun is to be useful to many people, we
shouldn't be closed minded about the use cases. I am not arguing that we
strive to include multiseat functionality or any specific login manager
or text editor or whatnot. Simply that we should not exclude anything
that is easily included just because we don't see a use case for it.

I am preaching to choir - I am pretty sure.

Simon