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From: "KatolaZ" <katolaz@???>
To: <dng@???>
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless


> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:14:18AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>> Hullo, I'm the rat bastard who wrote
>> http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html and is thus
>> either ignorant or a very sadistic systemd hooligan.
>>
>> Hi, Jaromil! You and I have corresponded in e-mail, and you'll recall
>> that I like Devuan, appreciate its work, and follow it with interest.
>> Normally, I follow dng (intermittently) only via its Web archive,
>> because I don't really have time for more mailing lists, but I'll be on
>> here for at least present discussion for a while.
>>
>
> [cut]
>
> I personally don't see the reason for such a reaction on your side
> Rick (BTW, welcome here :)), but I am sure I am missing something. I
> personally believe that all the work to avoid and contain systemd and
> other nonsense is valuable, independently of where it comes from :)
>
> It is true that the pinning game can actually work for you or for me,
> who are content with a minimal window manager and xterm, but this is
> not a viable long-term solution for the Linux community. For that
> matter, most of us could have simply solved the systemd-problem two
> years ago by playing the pin game for a while and then switching to
> (or in some cases, just remaining with) *BSD.
>
> Maybe those are still good solutions in some speficic cases, who might
> allow single individuals to continue their computing as "normal", but
> IMHO pinning won't work forever, for the same reason why in just two
> years you already have several dozens basic packages depending in a
> way or another on systemd.
>
> That's why, although I appreciate efforts like yours and those of a
> dozen more who have been experimenting with pinning (we have done that
> as well, for months), I remain convinced that maintaining a
> systemd-free fork of a distributition, and of a fundamental one like
> Debian, is a more sustainable way of dealing with the problem. It's
> not easy, but nothing is easy :)
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ

+1

Best Regards
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