Just an impartial observer here attempting to gain better understanding.
David graeber self proclaimed "anarchist" is also a staunch supporter of
kurdish seperatists in turkey and suggests they are anarchists. Could
someone please explain to me on what basis do these kurdish seperatests
share an anarchist ethos and are there examples of nonhierarchical
organization and operation among them?

Cheers
On Jun 25, 2016 12:02 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:

I told him to fuck off a week ago when he was using shame tactics to stop
conversation. Takeaway is once you see someone using dirty debate tricks
it's easier to just tell them off, ignore and move on.

Unfortunately in anonymous communities, there is no time to educate people
who innocently don't know how to debate and real agent-provocateurs can
keep on coming back over and over with different names. This is my biggest
issue with anonymity - though I do understand it's necessity in certain
situations.

Love



On 25/06/16 20:27, Amir wrote:

> Go back to mongolia oppressor.
>
> I bet you deny the Armenian genocide also.
>
> you are a statist fascist.
>
> To everyone: this guy is a secret supporter Erdogan but he will deny it.
>
> Özer Tayiz:
>
>> Haha baited
>>
>> Terrorist supporter misandrist detected.
>>
>> Amir:
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:
>>
>> haha baited. Turkish misogynist statist detected.
>>>>
>>>> calls himself an anarchist.
>>>>
>>>> Özer Tayiz:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, right. As if that would solve anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kurdish seperatist terrorists are responsible for killing thousands of
>>>>>> innocent people in Turkey. Both of Turkish and Kurdish ethnicity. And
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> PKK is aiming for even more oppression of the local population than
>>>>>>
>>>>> current
>>>>
>>>>> Turkish government.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here, a video of PKK killing Kurdish people:
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW2W9ihBkQ4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greece cannot handle their own financial crisis. Let alone take over
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> territory from Turkey. They're practically bankrupt. If EU didn't bail
>>>>>>
>>>>> them
>>>>
>>>>> out, they would have collapsed long before now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And after Brexit, I doubt if there will be any EU left, in a decade or
>>>>>>
>>>>> so.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And eastern-southern parts of Turkey (that Kurds claim) are among the
>>>>>> poorest regions of Turkey, despite vast government support in terms of
>>>>>> subsidies etc. They cannot survive on their own, if they were actually
>>>>>>
>>>>> ever
>>>>
>>>>> separated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they are separated, they will only have a puppet dictator
>>>>>> USA-Israel
>>>>>> brings, just like the situation in occupied countries, like Iraq,
>>>>>> Afghanistan, etc. And the local population will suffer from even worse
>>>>>> oppression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is a solution to violence, it won't come from separatist
>>>>>> terrorists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And no, US policy is not sane at all. US-Israel policy is a never
>>>>>> ending
>>>>>> war and separation of all middle east into hundreds of micro states.
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> old "divide and conquer" strategy of all empires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Trump or any other president won't even change a thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The american policy of "new american century" is above who wins which
>>>>>> election. There is no president who can end imperialistic policies of
>>>>>>
>>>>> USA.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/new-american-century/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here, this video explains what is happening in Middle East and why:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2Fi1rhYqc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an anarchist, born and raised in Turkey I don't agree with
>>>>>> initiation
>>>>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>
>>>>> violence, or fascism on either side.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And again I don't understand why this is even a discussion of this
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We don't have any actual power over these politics. No one asks me or
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> or members of this list, how to handle conflicts in Turkey or middle
>>>>>>
>>>>> east.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't use fiat money. Use gold, silver, bitcoins. Barter. Get out of
>>>>>>
>>>>> debt.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Learn how to live local, sustainable, resilient lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Including how to grow your own food, build your own house, and produce
>>>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>
>>>>> own energy...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Amir <amir@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://haber.sol.org.tr/video/video-hdpden-cizre-videosu-159328
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> An attack in Istanbul dominates the news. Meanwhile the same thing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>
>>>>> day is happening everyday. Entire neighbourhoods being flattened,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>
>>>>> being killed and pressure to force Kurds into big cities - all by the
>>>>>>>>>> benevolent Turkish state.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile Hillary Clinton, the humanitarian, supports Erdogan and
>>>>>>>>>> Turkish occupation of Rojava under the guise of a "no-fly zone".
>>>>>>>>>> She
>>>>>>>>>> stands with Erdogan, denying the Armenian genocide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for endless, stupid war" by
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>>> Assange: https://wikileaks.org/hillary-war/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> At least Donald Trump has a sane foreign policy; support Rojava,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>
>>>>> Turkey. All this talk by leftists about their compassion for refugees
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> getting on my nerves, and actually seems to be a facade for their
>>>>>>>>>> politics of power.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Leftists don't care about refugees. It's all "feel goodism".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/Analysis/2faa5690-0cea-44cf-82c3-40aeb47cf871/-US-to-strengthen-friendship-with-Kurds-after-IS-
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump's foreign minister:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "First, he stated that the US will gather all its allies in Syria
>>>>>>>>>> against IS, including Kurds who operate in the northern part of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> country known as Rojava [Syrian Kurdistan]."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "In [his] view, this way, the US will create and support “a
>>>>>>>>>> freedom
>>>>>>>>>> area” in northern Syria."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about a real solution to the crisis, instead of lets bring
>>>>>>>>>> all of
>>>>>>>>>> Syria to Europe.
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