On 06/17/2016 03:11 PM, jamileh s.t. wrote:
>
> Dude, every woman I know has at some point been sexually harassed and
> many abused.. I'm supposed to believe some man chatting on YouTube
> over actual wiki stats - read the page on rape. Only 5% of reported
> rapes lead to a conviction here in the UK, do you think that is good?
>
> My article was meant to articulate to you that feminism also deals
> with sexism against men and is not anti-men whereas mra is. And that
> the sexism men face is different at times to the sexism women face, it
> isn't a fucking competition..
>
> Sorry typing from phone so I spelt your name wrong and hard to type.
>
> Read it. But didn't see anything significant. No argument, no fact, no
> logic.
>
> Surely, nothing of substance to change my mind.
>
> You watch this:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9s5H-RNjxY
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:50 PM, jamileh s.t. <xiaziyna@???
> <mailto:xiaziyna@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Read this over
> https://features.wearemel.com/i-was-a-men-s-rights-activist-55a0d2eb6052#.ghtvng3ko
>
> On 17 Jun 2016 7:47 p.m., "Özer Tayiz" <otayiz@???
> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I do believe sexism exists. Against men.
>
> http://www.realsexism.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:43 PM, Bruno Gola
> <brunogola@??? <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:22 PM, Özer Tayiz
> <otayiz@??? <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> All I see is a blog post and a story. I don't speak
> german, so I am not sure links from this blog is court
> cases, or german rape laws.
>
>
> With all you are saying it sounds like you don't believe
> sexism exist. If that's the case, we can't continue this
> conversation as there is no common ground and our very
> basic views of society differ a lot, it would take huge
> texts until we would reach a basic common argument. Those
> texts have been written already, so I will not repeat it here.
>
>
>
> If someone has any other real information (evidence,
> police or court reports etc) about a specific case I
> am willing to consider it.
>
> But I don't know either this Jack guy, or any of the
> accusers of him. I have no way of determining a story
> on a blog post if is true or false.
>
> "We need to take victim's stories seriously".
>
> Burden of proof lies with the accuser. No one can be
> judged only based on stories, or online blog posts,
> but evidence, due process, courts etc.
>
> With all these accusations, is there a court case,
> police report, rape kit submitted, a court finding
> Jake guilty of anything?
>
> Otherwise, I'll write a story of rape against anyone I
> don't like in any community, claim they raped me, find
> me a few others to join bandwagon of smear campaign
> and not just discredit or smear one individual, but
> the whole communities that include him.
>
> There were many accusations about Bill Cosby. Now he
> is suing (and winning) his false accusers.
>
> Up to now, I don't see anything of valid credible
> proof of any wrong doing. I'll still assume anyone
> accused to be innocent till proven guilty by a court
> of his peers. Based on evidence. Not just stories.
>
> He is accused, not convicted of anything.
>
> Remember Assange also has charges against him (imho
> utter bs accusations).
>
> I'll give him the benefit of doubt till he is proven
> guilty and convicted.
>
> To me it still looks like a smear campaign.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Bruno Gola
> <brunogola@??? <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bruno Gola
> <brunogola@??? <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Özer Tayiz
> <otayiz@??? <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> And while I don't know about the
> particulars of the accusation or incident,
> as soon as I hear "a prominent hacker is
> accused of sexual misconduct" I
> immediately assume false allegation.
> Nowadays disagreeing a feminist online is
> considered a crime. The simplest "throw
> mud at someone" tactic these days.
>
>
> sorry, but you are wrong.
>
>
> I recommend you read
> this https://blog.patternsinthevoid.net/the-forest-for-the-trees.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Özer
> Tayiz <otayiz@???
> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Why don't you fuck off yourself?
>
> Here is a perfectly safe space for you:
>
> http://static8.depositphotos.com/1343665/820/i/950/depositphotos_8205615-Mental-hospital-padded-room-from.jpg
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM,
> Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???
> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:
>
> fuck off
>
> On 17/06/16 19:00, Özer Tayiz wrote:
>
> Are you trying to concern
> troll hacker community?
>
> What do you suggest? "see
> something, say something"
> policies to rat out each other
> to authorities?
>
> *lol* go sell your crazy
> somewhere else.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ctpr5znM4
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37
> PM, Cristina [efecto99]
> <efecto99@???
> <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>
> <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net
> <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>>>
> wrote:
>
> On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim
> Patrick wrote:
>
> I don't think one bad
> apple (no pun intended)
> should spoil the entire
> bunch. The
> hacker/journalist/leak
> community will still be a
> open, progessive, tolerant
> community even with a few
> nasty people in it.
>
>
> 1. "ONE" apple?
>
> 2. +: accomplices &
> abettors are responsible for
> that, too
>
> 3. "The
> hacker/journalist/leak
> community will still be a
> open, progressive, tolerant
> community": HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
> Tell me another joke.
>
> You both, as a lot of
> people from "our community",
> still need to wake up.
>
> I suspected that this
> email fron Caleb would collect
> these kind of answers, but i
> didn't think they would be so
> naive.
>
> Cristina (99)
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16,
> 2016, Caleb James DeLisle
> <<mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr
> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>cjd@???
> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>
> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr
> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>> wrote:
>
> At the beginning
> of June 2016, news broke
> that a prominent member of
> the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
> Community had
> become the target of
> multiple serious
> allegations of sexual
> misconduct. I was aware
> of certain aspects
> of this person and after
> reading the accounts,
> certain things *clicked*
> for me
> which I had not
> seen or could not perceive
> before. If this person had
> acted alone, lead a
> double-life and
> secretly done terrible
> things, I might never have
> cared to collect this
> information.
> The most painful
> realization was that these
> things could never have
> been done alone, at every step
> of the way the
> Community *had* to have
> protected him, covered up
> the stories and shushed the
> victims. This
> event lead me to the
> tragic realization that
> the Open, Tolerant and
> Progressive Hacker
> Community of which
> I believed myself a member
> - was no more than a
> figment of my imagination.
> It is fair to say
> that in my heart I believe
> the victims, but I have
> chosen to maintain this
> repository with
> the highest level of
> impartiality that I can,
> so I might sleep at night
> even if I am
> proven to be wrong.
>
>
> https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate
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another statistics for false reports and they are usually high... Did
innocent". A collectivist tyranny is still a tyranny, btw.
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