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Author: jamileh s.t.
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To: System undo crew
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] The day the Hacker Community Died
Thats true but don't discount the fact that this is a unique case. A famous
activist where the government has a vested interest to discredit him & by
extension his work.

I still don't think you get what I'm saying. I believe all the accusations
documented on your github, it's some of the posts on this site and the site
itself which makes me a bit uneasy

http://jacobappelbaum.net

Finally I don't firmly believe at all that government have tried to
exacerbate/influence events just wanted to say that it was possible and
something we should be cautious of. Don't act all shitty and dismissive.
On 17 Jun 2016 9:20 p.m., "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:

> You read the whole thing? What I put in the mailing list is only the
> statement of motivation.
>
> I have thoughts about the govt conspiracy theories on this but I'm not
> going to share them.
> According to the CDC* 1 in 5 women have been raped, if we are worth
> anything as a community
> we need to commit to changing that number and navel-gazing about
> government plots and due
> process is not going to make that happen.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> * http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/SV-DataSheet-a.pdf
>
>
> On 17/06/16 21:55, jamileh s.t. wrote:
>
>> I read your post Caleb, I don't really see how what I said is
>> contradictory. It is totally possible that government does social
>> engineering to exacerbate situations(like in the leaks of gchq slides) and
>> that Jacobs people have also done this(opposing). That is all I meant to
>> convey.
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2016 8:47 p.m., "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@??? <mailto:
>> cjd@???>> wrote:
>>
>>     I was thinking all of the different thoughts like you at the
>> beginning.
>>     I spent 2 or 3 days compiling a repository of all of the
>> (non-anonymous) accusations I could find.
>>     I'd appreciate if you could spend 5 minutes to read it, if you
>> maintain your opinion then I respect it.

>>
>>     https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate

>>
>>     Thanks

>>
>>     On 17/06/16 19:18, jamileh s.t. wrote:

>>
>>         Whilst it's clear Jacob pushed boundaries/assaulted several women
>> does not also mean that government agencies have not also tried to further
>> smear him. On that website with the anon accounts several sounded
>> legit(Isis one) and several sounded hastily thrown together and the nick
>> farr account is kind of silly. I can also imagine agents within tor
>> spreading rumours which may be true but get people like nick fired up.
>> Anyhow obviously also forces on Jacobs side will do what they can to control
>>         narrative and say they are exaggerated also.

>>
>>         On 17 Jun 2016 6:11 p.m., "Bruno Gola" <brunogola@???
>> <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com> <mailto:brunogola@gmail.com <mailto:
>> brunogola@???>>> wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>>              On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, Özer Tayiz <
>> otayiz@??? <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com
>> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>>> wrote:

>>
>>                  And while I don't know about the particulars of the
>> accusation or incident, as soon as I hear "a prominent hacker is accused of
>> sexual misconduct" I immediately assume false allegation. Nowadays
>> disagreeing a feminist online is considered a crime. The simplest "throw
>> mud at someone" tactic these days.

>>
>>              sorry, but you are wrong.

>>
>>
>>                  On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Özer Tayiz <
>> otayiz@??? <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com
>> <mailto:otayiz@gmail.com>>> wrote:

>>
>>                      Why don't you fuck off yourself?

>>
>>                      Here is a perfectly safe space for you:

>>
>>
>> http://static8.depositphotos.com/1343665/820/i/950/depositphotos_8205615-Mental-hospital-padded-room-from.jpg
>>
>>                      On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Caleb James
>> DeLisle <cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:
>> cjd@???>>> wrote:

>>
>>                          fuck off

>>
>>                          On 17/06/16 19:00, Özer Tayiz wrote:

>>
>>                              Are you trying to concern troll hacker
>> community?

>>
>>                              What do you suggest? "see something, say
>> something" policies to rat out each other to authorities?

>>
>>                              *lol* go sell your crazy somewhere else.

>>
>>         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ctpr5znM4

>>
>>                              On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:37 PM, Cristina
>> [efecto99] <efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net> <mailto:
>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>> <mailto:
>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net> <mailto:
>> efecto99@??? <mailto:efecto99@riseup.net>>>> wrote:

>>
>>                                   On 16/06/16 21:00, Tim Patrick wrote:

>>
>>                                       I don't think one bad apple (no pun
>> intended) should spoil the entire bunch. The hacker/journalist/leak
>> community will still be a open, progessive, tolerant community even with a
>> few nasty people in it.

>>
>>
>>                                   1. "ONE" apple?

>>
>>                                   2. +: accomplices & abettors are
>> responsible for that, too

>>
>>                                   3. "The hacker/journalist/leak
>> community will still be a open, progressive, tolerant community":
>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>                                   Tell me another joke.

>>
>>                                   You both, as a lot of people from "our
>> community", still need to wake up.

>>
>>                                   I suspected that this email fron Caleb
>> would collect these kind of answers, but i didn't think they would be so
>> naive.

>>
>>                                   Cristina (99)

>>
>>
>>                                       On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Caleb
>> James DeLisle <<mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr> <mailto:
>> cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>>cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>
>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:
>> cjd@???> <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>>> wrote:

>>
>>                                           At the beginning of June 2016,
>> news broke that a prominent member of the Hacker/Journalist/Leak
>>                                           Community had become the target
>> of multiple serious allegations of sexual misconduct. I was aware
>>                                           of certain aspects of this
>> person and after reading the accounts, certain things *clicked* for me
>>                                           which I had not seen or could
>> not perceive before. If this person had acted alone, lead a
>>                                           double-life and secretly done
>> terrible things, I might never have cared to collect this information.
>>                                           The most painful realization
>> was that these things could never have been done alone, at every step
>>                                           of the way the Community *had*
>> to have protected him, covered up the stories and shushed the
>>                                           victims. This event lead me to
>> the tragic realization that the Open, Tolerant and Progressive Hacker
>>                                           Community of which I believed
>> myself a member - was no more than a figment of my imagination.
>>                                           It is fair to say that in my
>> heart I believe the victims, but I have chosen to maintain this
>>                                           repository with the highest
>> level of impartiality that I can, so I might sleep at night even if I am
>>                                           proven to be wrong.

>>
>>         https://github.com/cjdelisle/JakeGate

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