On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 01:20:58PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 12:21:11PM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> > On 20/12/15 11:18, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > >On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:12:05AM +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Huh? systemd-shim is a tool for using libbpam-systemd (which Gnome depends
> > >>on) without systemd being *installed*
> > >>
> > >>In fact it *breaks* systemd, you can't have them both installed.
> > >Package: libpam-systemd
> > >[...]
> > >Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libselinux1 (>= 1.32),
> > > systemd (= 228-2), libpam-runtime (>= 1.0.1-6), dbus,
> > > systemd-shim (>= 8-2) | systemd-sysv
> > >
> > Yes, like I said, libpam-systemd depends on systemd-shim *or* systemd-sysv.
> >
> > You don't need or want systemd installed if you have systemd-shim installed.
>
> Please reread what I pasted again. There's a hard dependency on systemd.
> And libpam-systemd is the only real user of systemd-shim.

To achieve some clarity I performed a few experiments using
user-mode aptitude on my alpha-two Jessie devuan system.

Yes, libpam-systemd does depend on systemd, as claimed by Adam
Borowski.
No, systemd-shim does not depend on systemd, and it conflicts with
systemd. You cannot install both, as claimed by John Hughes.

Are there other users of libpam-systemd? If so, are some of them
unreal?

What is the top-level package for installing gnome?

-- hendrik

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