On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 02:56:48PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > Please reread what I pasted again. There's a hard dependency on systemd.
> > And libpam-systemd is the only real user of systemd-shim.
>
> To achieve some clarity I performed a few experiments using
> user-mode aptitude on my alpha-two Jessie devuan system.
>
> Yes, libpam-systemd does depend on systemd, as claimed by Adam
> Borowski.
> No, systemd-shim does not depend on systemd, and it conflicts with
> systemd. You cannot install both, as claimed by John Hughes.

Package: systemd-shim
Version: 9-1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.39.4), cgmanager (>= 0.32)
Suggests: pm-utils
Breaks: systemd (<< 209)

Package: systemd
Version: 228-2
Depends: libacl1 (>= 2.2.51-8), libapparmor1 (>= 2.9.0-3+exp2),
libaudit1 (>= 1:2.2.1), libblkid1 (>= 2.19.1), libcap2 (>= 1:2.10),
libcryptsetup4 (>= 2:1.4.3), libkmod2 (>= 5~), libmount1 (>= 2.26.2),
libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libseccomp2 (>= 2.1.0), libselinux1 (>= 2.1.9),
libsystemd0 (= 228-2), util-linux (>= 2.27.1), mount (>= 2.26), sysv-rc,
adduser, libcap2-bin
Pre-Depends: libc6 (>= 2.17), libgcrypt20 (>= 1.6.1),
liblzma5 (>= 5.1.1alpha+20120614), libselinux1 (>= 1.32)
Recommends: libpam-systemd, dbus
Suggests: systemd-ui, systemd-container
Conflicts: klogd
Breaks: apparmor (<< 2.9.2-1), lsb-base (<< 4.1+Debian4), lvm2 (<< 2.02.104-1),
systemd-shim (<< 8-2)

They don't conflict, the versioned breaks are on pre-jessie versions.

> Are there other users of libpam-systemd? If so, are some of them
> unreal?

libpam-systemd has quite a bunch of users, especially if you include
recursive ones. But we're talking about systemd-shim here, and that has no
real ones other than libpam-systemd (there's also a metapackagish
recommendation from xfce4-session, and init-select that's a small broken
hack).

> What is the top-level package for installing gnome?

"gnome" for the whole hog, "gnome-core" for a core subset.

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