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Skribent: Jonathan Valiente
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Emne: Re: [unSYSTEM] Jeremy Corbyn wins Labour campaign, obliterates other candidates
My bad, I wasn't looking at the national polls. I was referring to the
polls in New Hampshire and Iowa where he went from pretty much 0% to
leading Hilary in the double digits. These are key states that heavily
influence the DNC nominee. A similar phenomena occurred in 2008 with Obama
when everyone assumed Hilary to win until she lost I think its naive to
discount sanders because he doesn't have the name recognition of Hilary. I
doubt Hilary will be able to hold any lead whatsoever after the first
debates. Not to mention she isn't going to win with the 'FBI as her running
mate'.

As for Bernie's positions, I hardly think dismantling the top 6 financial
institutions that are 'too big to fail' to be inline with the DNC. His
other positions such as overturning Citizens United and cutting defense
spending are equally useful. I'll take the socialization of healthcare and
education as well. I am really interested in Bernie's authenticity and
integrity foremost. He isn't taking donations from billionaires, so he
doesn't owe anyone any political favors. He is an advocate for the people
with a rational mind. He certainly isn't politics as usual.

On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
wrote:

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> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 9:10 AM, Linards Berzins <linardsberzins@???
> > wrote:
>
>> hmmm...
>>
>>
>> Sanders seems to be surging in polls not losing:
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=sanders+loosing+in+national+polls&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=sanders+national+polls
>>
>> Any insight?
>>
>
> Yes check the national aggregate of polls here at RCP:
> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html
>
> As of 9/13 her national average is +21.4 over Sanders. Remember these are
> polls that now all *include* Biden. Say Biden doesn't run, Clinton is back
> to +35. It's not even close. Now Sanders has momentum in Iowa and New
> Hampshire especially, but there are plenty of historical examples of the
> candidate who wins Iowa becoming irrelevant by the time the primaries move
> South.
>
>
>> On 16 September 2015 at 15:01, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I take Marx for a fetishist who left social theory in a productivist
>>> rut. Corbyn's shadow chancellor reportedly wants to nationalize the English
>>> banks, railways and utilities. So pretty anarchist.
>>>
>>> Re: Sanders in the US, his positions are 95% percent standard DNC
>>> positions. He is losing in every national poll by 20 points, and without
>>> the prospect of Biden losing by 30 points to HRC.
>>>
>>> Corbyn's first PMQ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-0KkGdPIz4
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 3:53 AM, Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 September 2015 21:00:42 CEST, Cody R Wilson <
>>>> codywilson@???> wrote:
>>>> >Yeah full take security state in Albion until I'm an old man.
>>>> >
>>>> >Corbyn is an un-reconstructed, Old World Marxist. Of course the
>>>> >enfeebled
>>>> >English youth support him.
>>>>
>>>> Corbyn is not a vetero-marxist at all. The fact that Marx produced the
>>>> only viable
>>>> political-economy framework for analisys in the past 200 years does not
>>>> makes
>>>> it easy to separate ideologists from political scientists, indeed. Just
>>>> take Marx as
>>>> a champion for the sort of materialist rationalism he comes from, for a
>>>> moment.
>>>> His analisys is damn right and today it applies to left and right
>>>> political
>>>> movements without distinction, because it has to do with people's life
>>>> much more
>>>> than what the elite (arguably, most often the left, hard incongruence)
>>>> pretends it to be.
>>>>
>>>> Said that, Corbyn is first of all an activist and we haven't seen those
>>>> since a long
>>>> time around politics. As of political definitions, I recognize in him
>>>> an anarcho-socialist,
>>>> which personally I consider the step into adulthood for any anarchist
>>>> around, just like
>>>> an "ontogenesis resuming the philogenesis": every child grows into an
>>>> adult person by
>>>> progressing out of individualism into the pains and joys of perceiving
>>>> others
>>>> (gosh this could be a sense8 line...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ciao
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>>>
>>>
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>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Cody R. Wilson
>>> codywilson@???
>>>
>>> The University of Texas School of Law
>>> Class of 2014
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>
> Cody R. Wilson
> codywilson@???
>
> The University of Texas School of Law
> Class of 2014
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