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Auteur: shraptor
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Aan: dng
Onderwerp: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
I would be interested in

* No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd

Are you thinking a C program?

daemon and user interface/GUI separation?


On 2015-08-15 18:01, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:51:55 +0200
> Didier Kryn <kryn@???> wrote:
>
>> Le 15/08/2015 02:26, Steve Litt a écrit :
>> > On Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:49:17 -0700
>> > Go Linux <golinux@???> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 8/14/15, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd Shims
>> >> To: dng@???
>> >> Date: Friday, August 14, 2015, 2:47 PM
>> >>
>> >>> I know not everyone here agrees with me, especially Steve, and
>> >>> that's perfectly okay. I have no problem with that at all. I just
>> >>> don't see "System 5 pure" as realistic when planning ahead
>> >>> looking at a maintenance standpoint when Debuan upstream is more
>> >>> and more likely to stick with Systemd in designing their
>> >>> packaging.
>> >>>
>> >> Maybe we should just put Steve in charge of decontaminating all
>> >> packages with systemd deps!
>> > Oh, you wouldn't want to do that. Contrary to what I wrote in
>> > another thread about "the perfect is the enemy of the good", if *I*
>> > were in charge of decontamination, I'd throw out whole subsystems.
>> > Gnome gone. KDE gone. Xfce gone. Networkmanager gone. Gimp gone if
>> > it gets all systemd on us.
>> >
>> > In the massive time I save as not being the bomb squad defusing Red
>> > Hat's terrorism, I'd write small replacements for a lot of things
>> > that use only Linux and a very rudimentary and optional GUI
>> > interface.
>> >
>> > Then I'd write documentation explaining how to use a sharp thinking
>> > computer, to the proud ignorants of the world, especially those who
>> > believe their ignorance is a badge of honor proving their age or
>> > gender.
>> >
>> > And the people who prioritize pretty over functional and robust: I'd
>> > tell them to get a Mac.
>> >
>> > You don't want me in that capacity.
>> >
>> > And yes, I *am* a hypocrit who takes one position in one thread, and
>> > then says he'd do the opposite in another. :-)
>> >
>> > SteveT
>> >
>> >
>>
>>      Please, Steve, provide us with all you mentionned, as an
>> alternative to mainstream bloated/infected stuff. Since Devuan is all
>> about freedom, this is the place where to deliver to the world. As
>> soon as I can install Devuan on metal, I'll be one of your testers.

>>
>>      Didier

>
> OK. What should come first?
>
> * Automounter?
> * No-dbus replacement for NetworkManager/Wicd?
> * Other?
>
> Please keep in mind, I'm not a good enough programmer to write a
> substitute for Gimp or Gnome. Let's keep the first one simple and easy
> so I can actually do it, in a reasonable timeframe, without adversely
> impacting my real work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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