On 06/13/2015 01:31 PM, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
> On 06/13/2015 11:03 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 10:22:29AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote:
>>> * On 2015 13 Jun 08:08 -0500, LM wrote:
>>>> Laurent Bercot wrote:
>>>> It would be great if Devuan became the Linux distribution that offered
>>>> its users alternatives to more commonly used, often bloated software.
>>>> It would certainly make a great base distribution for other
>>>> derivatives if it did. Most Linux distributions I've run across so
>>>> far try to limit ones choices and make you follow their philosophy and
>>>> way of doing things. Personally, the systems that work the best for
>>>> me are the ones that don't try to lock you into doing things a
>>>> specific way and let you do what you want.
>>> This, exactly this. Thank you, Laura, you have penned in your last
>>> sentence exactly what my philosophy has been ever since Windows 95 was
>>> dumped on the scene and I went to Slackware to maintain the freedom I
>>> had known with MS-DOS. I think I have gotten lax in the intervening
>>> years (something about aging and wanting to divert my energies into
>>> other areas) and accepted these new monoliths/monocultures for the ease
>>> they provided. Over the past year I have had a rude awakening and am
>>> generally striving toward minimalism these days.
>>>
>>> I would dearly love to dump CUPS in favor of something comprehensible
>>> that would feed my HL-5240 compatible PS or PCL.
>> What's convenient about Cups is that it knows what printer driver to
>> use.
>>
>> What used to be convenient before Cups is that I could just write a
>> program that created a postscript file and send it to my printer using
>> a command like lpr, which knew that the printer was attached through
>> the parallel port.
>>
>> I liked it back then. I could write actual postsript programs that
>> computed diagrams.
>>
>> I have no idea what to do now. As far as I know, everything is
>> intercepted and rerouted. I'm not even sure if my laptop is talking to
>> the printer or to my wife's Apple laptop, which also runs CUPS.
>>
>> CUPS used to e usable. But now?
>>
>> I tried to print a jpeg image a while ago. I used a browser. I had a
>> choice between one mode thta I think was one screen pixel per printer
>> pixel -- useless, and 'fit to page', which seemed to think my
>> standard 8.5 x 11 page was twice as big, so I oonly got a quarter of
>> the image.
>>
>> I think that Brother is one of the companies that advertises actual
>> Unix support, and that my printer an HL-3170CDW, at least, accepts a
>> variety of networked protocols, including some that originated in Unix.
>> But I don't know how to access them without CUPS.
>>
>> There must be a way.
>>
>
> CUPS definitely is a monster, but it does add to the convenience of
> setup "out of the box" for many printers even ones that have reached
> "end of life" as far as the manufacturer is concerned.
> I use a LaserJet 1200 and there are a multitude of drivers and then
> the HP CUPS add-ons to add to the confusion.
>
> I would think that since CUPS can be used in the various BSD flavours,
> Apple included, systemd is just used in the latest Linux versions as a
> common convenience. I am no programmer, but it would seem to me that
> dumping systemd from the source would be doable.

What part of systemd are these various (non-systemd) programs
leveraging? Is it the sd-notify thingy? If it is
that would imply a different course of action than if they are using
many different features.

-Jonathan

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