I will only say a few words.

The purpose of Devuan was to promote software freedom and more
specifically software choice. If systemd & Co. change drastically,
which is clearly very unlikely to happen, it will be a completely
another situation, and systemd & Co. may start forming part of a
project like Devuan.

In my humble opinion, this is the only way systemd to become a
candidate worthy of consideration. Those who want systemd have already
more than enough to choose from.

Edward


On 05/05/2015, Hendrik Boom <hendrik@???> wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:53:28PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
>> On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 12:35:57PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>> > On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 11:49:34AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Noel,
>> > >
>> > > Having any systemd-equipped Devuan packages means that I need to
>> > > always
>> > > be on my guard to prevent systemd from sneaking in.
>> >
>> > Could segregate the packages by putting them in another category, so
>> > we'd have free, contrib, nonfree, systemd, ...
>> >
>>
>> But guys, I thought that the challenge over here was to have a
>> systemd-free system to start with, or not? I thought that there were a
>> bunch of people out there trying their best to eradicate systemd from
>> debian packages, making a lot of work to repackage everything as
>> Devuan, a new systemd-free distribution...Or am I mistaken?
>>
>> IMHO anybody who wants systemd has plenty of good alternatives to
>> choose from, without waiting for a new systemd-free GNU/Linux
>> distribution to become usable. After all, what's the point of
>> stubbornly wanting a systemd-free distro if in the end you are going
>> to use systemd anyway?
>
> Well, yes. I can imagine a systemd hater who discovers down the road
> that he needs a package that's been comtaminated with systemd. Maybe
> instead of going whole-hog systemd, which is that the other distros
> force him to do, he can put up with systemd until that package hass
> been cleaned out. And then ge rid of it again, with few other stray
> dependencies getting in his way.
>
> Now this scenario may seem a little far-fetched, but the trutrh is, I
> can't imagine all the uses that knowledgable users will come up with.
> I'm sure there's another possible reason that I'm not creative enough to
> come up with.
>
> Maybe he needs to be able to test whether software he's written will
> work when systemd is present, just in case others want to use it on
> other systems.
>
> I still use Windows once every six months or so, though I'd prefer not
> to have to, and normally use Linux for everything.
>
> It's about freedom.
>
> -- hendrik
>
>>
>> My2Cents
>>
>> KatolaZ
>>
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