Author: Marlon Nunes Date: To: dng Subject: Re: [Dng]
Which package generates /lib/systemd and /etc/systemd files?
On 2015-05-05 11:34, Anto wrote: > On 05/05/15 16:00, Noel Torres wrote:
>>
>> Anto <aryanto@???> escribió:
>> [...]
>>> Hello Noel,
>>>
>>> I think I have a good reason to want to have them removed. I hate
>>> them :)
>>
>> You are free to do so.
>>>
>>> I don't think Devuan should provide the option to use systemd. Why
>>> should it? The decision in Debian to default the init system to
>>> systemd is the main reason to fork Debian in the first place. And the
>>> users who want systemd are better of using Debian instead of Devuan.
>>
>> You don't think that we should provide the option. But we should,
>> because not doing so means removing freedom fro mour users: removing
>> the freedom to use systemd.
>>
>> We are not anti-systemd, we are anti-systemd-being-imposed. And the
>> first step is to create a distribution able to work without systemd at
>> all.
>>
>> Truly speaking, we are no anti-anything. We are pro-freedom (including
>> the freedom to choose systemd). This was extensively discussed on the
>> first days of this list.
>>>
>>> On my particular case, I want to have that cron.service file gone as
>>> that is the main reason for me to re-compile it.
>>
>> Well, I would say that is not a reason to recompile it at all, but
>> that's up to you. I say, tough, that only the removal of a systemd
>> service file is not a reason for Devuan to maintain a Delta over
>> Debian (and all the associated wasted effort).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Anto
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Noel
>> er Envite
+1
>
> I think you are contradicting yourself, Noel.
>
> On one hand you wrote that removing anything related to systemd like
> what I am doing, is a waste of efforts. On the other hand, you wrote
> that Devuan should support systemd in the future and that is not a
> waste of efforts.
>
> In my view, the later is really a waste of efforts as that means all
> the efforts that are currently being done in removing systemd and
> stripping all systemd related components from a lot of packages, will
> have to be repeated to implement them again in the future possibly in
> different form.
>
> The freedom of choice for the users who prefer systemd already exists
> a few years ago. If I would be one of those people, I wouldn't wait
> for Devuan to support systemd as I can use any other distros. In fact
> I wouldn't even look at Devuan as I would probably be already happily
> using a distro with systemd.
>
> I completely agree that Devuan must offer choices to the users. But
> that must not clash with the principle as to why Devuan must exist in
> the first place.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anto
>
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