> -----Original Message-----
> From: neofutur@??? [mailto:neofutur@ww7.be] On Behalf Of Neo
> Futur
> Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 11:10 PM
> To: T.J. Duchene
> Cc: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!
>
> I m a gentoo and mageia user ( but I donated half a bitcoin to devuan
> because I need devuan ) , and I can tell you the behaviour of mageia
> developpers is the same, I also exereinced the same nazi behaviou on
> archlinux irc channel.

[T.J. ] I've never had a high opinion of Arch. It was probably the worst tested Linux I've met in the last few years. I found it to be unacceptably buggy.


> so i m not surprised debian developpers have this attitude. imo there no
> systemd level, as it is imposed in politics and geopolitics all over the
> world.joke at all here, the same "whataboutism" is imposed in the linux world at
> the

>  what is real bad is the denial of our right to disagree and state our opinions
> and choices, and not only in the linux world ( sorry I stopped saying
> GNU/linux until stallman finally moves his ass in this freedom war )  another
> real bad thing is this kind of backdoor,
> > " these kinds of vulnerabilities turning exploitable in the future which would
> be impossible to spot
>     at the source level without this knowledge. "

>
[T.J. ] All of Linux-dom seems to have that same attitude problem in my experience. Debian had internal problems long before systemd. It might be considered heresy to say this, but I respect Richard Stallman, frankly, I do not take him seriously anymore. I do not think that his opinion carries the weight it used to with many people.

As for the page address, that is not a backdoor, that is a flaw on an old kernel, that as far as I can tell is local only. You have to have access to the machine to exploit it, you can just as easily reboot the machine into a maintenace state and change whatever you see fit, without wasting your time on a local exploit. As for SELinux, I have never actually met anyone who uses it. There are other, far less annoying security modules.

> Same here I accept it on my mageia laptop, i dont really care the nsa knowing
> everything of me ( they already have
>
> ) , but, for the sake of my customers, I will never ever accept this on the
> dedicated servers i m paid to mange by customers trusting me.
>
[T.J. ] I don't get it. If you don't feel comfortable trusting commercial firmware, don’t use it.

Quite frankly, I think you are overestimating what they can do. If owners properly maintained and updated their gear, there would not be large exploits for them to take advantage of. Then again, if they stopped using all that wireless and cell crap, security would increase immeasurably. You really do not think that you can broadcast an omni-drectional signal and expect no one else do pick it up, do you?