Selfish in what way exactly? Is Systemd closed source?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:53 AM, shraptor shraptor <shraptor@???> wrote:
> I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil
> merely selfish
>
> On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald <martin@???> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> As a honest feedback:
>>
>> Currently I do not read much of the threads here.
>>
>> Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or
>> infecting people´s systems.
>>
>> It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
>>
>> What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having to put up
>> with systemd at some point.
>>
>> Yet, at any time it has been upstream developers or package maintainers
>> who *decided* to adopt it.
>>
>>
>> Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is
>> in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd" efforts like
>> Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of such projects,
>> cause it gives the impression that those projects just consists of a bunch
>> of people who circulate conspirations theories about systemd *without*
>> doing *anything* about the situation.
>>
>>
>> So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop
>> assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that
>> systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to
>> take over the world or do harm to others. Instead they believe that what
>> they do is worthwhile.
>>
>> Of course its totally and perfectly okay not to agree with that.
>>
>>
>> But please stop assuming intentions that may or may not be there. And for
>> your own benefit, stop using a language which gives your power away.
>>
>> systemd is no cancer and it does not infect systems.
>>
>> If systemd is on your system, either you installed it or upgraded it and
>> your distro package maintainers decided to use it.
>>
>> So systemd developers, if you agree with it or not, had quite some success
>> in convincing others to use and rely on systemd.
>>
>>
>> Yet this is exactly what makes Devuan possible:
>>
>> If you put some effort to it, like for example Jude does without engaging
>> much into the fear based threads so far as I have seen, *it is perfectly
>> possible to have a system without systemd*.
>>
>> And no systemd whatsoever would infect such a system. It just doesn´t have
>> the power to do it. Its a piece of code. It has no power whatsoever on its
>> own. Its no evil critter which just sits next to computer and waits for a
>> chance to take it over.
>>
>> And if you are constructive and positive in your approach, and your
>> systems provides a good alternative, then more may adopt it in the future.
>>
>>
>> Yes, some upstream developers decided to rely on functionality provided by
>> systemd and some depend on it, instead of making it optional. And yes, I
>> see this development with concern. But it is still a decision. No
>> automatic effect.
>>
>> systemd has absolutely and totally *no* power over you.
>>
>> systemd upstream has absolutely and totally *no* power over you.
>>
>> I want to repeat this:
>>
>> Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you.
>>
>>
>> This is still *free* software.
>>
>>
>> Stop giving your power away.
>>
>> Instead: Claim it. Claim it by using a language that is free of self-
>> defeating patterns like that. A language that puts back the responsibility
>> in your hands.
>>
>> Feel your fear, appreciate it, and by that unlock the power you locked
>> down in it.
>>
>> You have any power in the world to support any efforts to have a systemd
>> free system.
>>
>> So now choose: In what way do you want to spend your energy?
>>
>>
>> Did any of the talk about systemd being a cancer or infecting people´s
>> system do *any* good to change the situation? Did it work? Or do efforts
>> like the one of Jude with vdev any good to change the situation? Does it
>> work?
>>
>> Do more of what works, and instead of repeating patterns that are
>> ineffective in changing your current situation, do something that works as
>> well.
>>
>> Or if you do not want to invest the time, let others do it and be grateful
>> about it instead of filling this list with powerless and self-defeating
>> thought patterns.
>>
>>
>> (That said I think cancer usually is no death sentence either and there
>> are quite powerful approaches in addition or as alternative to academic
>> medicine to deal with it. And I believe that there are ways to help the
>> body to deal with any kind of infection.)
>>
>> Ciao,
>> --
>> Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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