I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil
merely selfish

On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald <martin@???> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> As a honest feedback:
>
> Currently I do not read much of the threads here.
>
> Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or
> infecting people´s systems.
>
> It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems.
>
> What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having to put up
> with systemd at some point.
>
> Yet, at any time it has been upstream developers or package maintainers
> who *decided* to adopt it.
>
>
> Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is
> in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd" efforts like
> Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of such projects,
> cause it gives the impression that those projects just consists of a bunch
> of people who circulate conspirations theories about systemd *without*
> doing *anything* about the situation.
>
>
> So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop
> assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that
> systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to
> take over the world or do harm to others. Instead they believe that what
> they do is worthwhile.
>
> Of course its totally and perfectly okay not to agree with that.
>
>
> But please stop assuming intentions that may or may not be there. And for
> your own benefit, stop using a language which gives your power away.
>
> systemd is no cancer and it does not infect systems.
>
> If systemd is on your system, either you installed it or upgraded it and
> your distro package maintainers decided to use it.
>
> So systemd developers, if you agree with it or not, had quite some success
> in convincing others to use and rely on systemd.
>
>
> Yet this is exactly what makes Devuan possible:
>
> If you put some effort to it, like for example Jude does without engaging
> much into the fear based threads so far as I have seen, *it is perfectly
> possible to have a system without systemd*.
>
> And no systemd whatsoever would infect such a system. It just doesn´t have
> the power to do it. Its a piece of code. It has no power whatsoever on its
> own. Its no evil critter which just sits next to computer and waits for a
> chance to take it over.
>
> And if you are constructive and positive in your approach, and your
> systems provides a good alternative, then more may adopt it in the future.
>
>
> Yes, some upstream developers decided to rely on functionality provided by
> systemd and some depend on it, instead of making it optional. And yes, I
> see this development with concern. But it is still a decision. No
> automatic effect.
>
> systemd has absolutely and totally *no* power over you.
>
> systemd upstream has absolutely and totally *no* power over you.
>
> I want to repeat this:
>
> Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you.
>
>
> This is still *free* software.
>
>
> Stop giving your power away.
>
> Instead: Claim it. Claim it by using a language that is free of self-
> defeating patterns like that. A language that puts back the responsibility
> in your hands.
>
> Feel your fear, appreciate it, and by that unlock the power you locked
> down in it.
>
> You have any power in the world to support any efforts to have a systemd
> free system.
>
> So now choose: In what way do you want to spend your energy?
>
>
> Did any of the talk about systemd being a cancer or infecting people´s
> system do *any* good to change the situation? Did it work? Or do efforts
> like the one of Jude with vdev any good to change the situation? Does it
> work?
>
> Do more of what works, and instead of repeating patterns that are
> ineffective in changing your current situation, do something that works as
> well.
>
> Or if you do not want to invest the time, let others do it and be grateful
> about it instead of filling this list with powerless and self-defeating
> thought patterns.
>
>
> (That said I think cancer usually is no death sentence either and there
> are quite powerful approaches in addition or as alternative to academic
> medicine to deal with it. And I believe that there are ways to help the
> body to deal with any kind of infection.)
>
> Ciao,
> --
> Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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