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Author: Vlad
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To: John Morris
CC: dng
Subject: Re: [Dng] Devuan commitments - will trade-off be applied?
I use F-Droid with cyanogen and I am quite happy, the number and quality of
apps is steadily increasing too.
On Mar 30, 2015 2:49 PM, "John Morris" <jmorris@???> wrote:

> On Sat, 2015-03-28 at 12:33 +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >      BTW, I, like many others, find convenient to use e.g. Skype, and I
> > would prefer to run it inside a container.
> > >    Over there, Linux installers are
> > > Shareware.  All of them.  I'm not a priest of St. Ignucius but the idea
> > > of the return of Shareware gives me the willies and is a future I do.
> > > not. want.

> > >
> >      I don't understand your point. Are sharewares the present as you
> > first say or are they a future you don't want to see? I don't see also
> > why you call shareware the Debian installer.

>
> Go look at the Play Store. You can install Linux, including Debian,
> inside Android via fairly turnkey installers. All of them are
> Shareware. Not just most of them. Yes there is F-Droid, with all of a
> few hundred packages, everything else is nagware, spyware, adware or
> outright paid. F-Droid has Linux a Linux installer too.... and yup it
> too was Shareware last time I looked. They had to start admitting
> Shareware to F-Droid or it apparently would be an empty repo. Build a
> platform around the idea of untrusted apps and apparently they will
> come, add in seamless ads and micropayments and Free Software vanishes,
> Virtualization, containers and jails all have their place, untrustworthy
> (all closed source) software like Skype being a good use. But when we
> reach the point we routinely take the performance hit and run everything
> in one it will probably be because we have surrendered control of the
> repos to the untrustworthy... or soon will.
>
> >      At the end, John, I don't find what you are proposing, nor even if
> > you do propose anything to avoid what happened with systemd and might
> > well happen again.

>
> Simple. Systemd is only the tip of the spear in what appears planned as
> a total reinvention of the OS. They aren't done yet. What happens when
> the next major component of that plan appears upstream is something that
> should be anticipated and planned for this time. We should not be
> caught unawares again.
>
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