On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 06:22:00PM +0000, Alberto Zuin - Liste wrote:
> > IMHO, an user who wants a very complete "easy/ready to use" desktop
> probably will go to Mac OS or to a distro specialized to be a desktop
> (Ubuntu, Mint, Fedora, etc.).

I'd like a complete, easy-to-use desktop. But that doesn't mean every
feature under the sun. It means just the packages I use, because
every other package gets in my way by making the menus long.

What I do want is to be able to install packages easily. aptitude
does that just fine, once I have identified the package I want.

What's needed on top of that is an index of available packages, which
identifies them not by name (which is often meaningless), but by
function and features.

But the huge number of menu items I have on my xfce desktop on Debian
testing right now is, well, just too much.

And I think that even so, there's too much stuff on the screen, and
too many desktop features that I'm not even aware of. Just one menu
with the tools I choose to have is enough.

Long ago I used a Unix workstation with X. Even the window manager
ran on a different computer. And my applications ran elsewhare,
too. It started up an xterm, and rest was up to me. I was happy with
that.

-- hendrik


> The most part of Devaun installation will be server, because avoiding
> systemd on it, is not only a philosophical purpose.
> The people who will use Devaun as desktop, will be "power user" so the
> only important thing is to let the user choose what packages wants to
> install and not create a complete DE as default at the moment of the
> installation (like Ubuntu/Mind/Fedora does).
>
> Ciao,
> Alberto
>
> P.S. I'm one of the firsts: I manage about 150 debian server
> installation without gui, but my two desktops are a MacBook Air with
> Mac OS, and an Arch Linux workstation with Gnome (and systemd,
> networkmanager, pulseaudio and all these horrible things). Franco, are
> you happy? ;-)
>
> Il 16/02/2015 1:44 pm, Didier Kryn ha scritto:
> > Hi folks.
> >
> > Considering Devuan is a major lifeboat of free Linux-based OS, I'm
> > anxious about its destiny and therefore trying to figure out who
> > is onboard, I mean the audience.
> >
> > 1) It is clear, by reading this list that part of us are mostly
> > concerned with servers.
> >
> > It is perfectly arguable that people involved in servers'
> > deployment do not want to dedicate time to tweaking a Linux-based
> > desktop.
> >
> > Macintosh is definitely for these guys, first of all because its
> > VM works like a breeze. Forget dual-boot: it's a waste of time.
> > Nate told us the other day that a majority of Debian developpers
> > follow the Mac way; the more I think of it the more sense it makes
> > to me, although it is not my way.
> >
> > Gnome and KDE are aiming to produce a free equivalent of the Mac.
> > OK, they're dropping freedom in the way, but they will produce at
> > least desktops you don't have to pay for. They may eventually pull
> > the carpet under the feet of Apple some day ... or not.
> >
> > 2) I also read that there are people who want to truely own their
> > desktop. Some call them sentimentalists, but they are the people
> > from and for wich free software arised.
> >
> > To summarize, I see two populations in the audience of Devuan,
> > with slightly different motivations (I find myself in both): 1)
> > Servers' admins, who have professionnal concerns about security and
> > productivity and don't necessary care of the desktop, 2) DIY (and
> > FIY ;-) ) addicts who want whole control on their desktop.
> >
> > This all comes from reading you guys during the past month,
> > including Mr "FUCK FUCK FUCK" :-). But maybe I missed some people.
> >
> > Didier
> >
> >
> >
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