Isn't a bomb manual protected free speech?
On Feb 7, 2015 12:15 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???> wrote:

> I think the only really way to "police" content might be to use some
> filtering tools on the client side. This doesn't really eliminate nefarious
> content but acts somewhat like a net nanny for those that don't want to be
> exposed to it. Policing will come down to the same methods used for busting
> piracy online. Trying to somehow track down the nodes in real life and
> taking them down one by one.
>
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply.
>
> Curious if you could elaborate on your ideas for policing a decentralized
> marketplace. As I understand, even Diaspora is unable to remove the social
> pages of terrorist organizations.
> ​Regards,
> Matt​
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???>
> wrote:
>
>> This is not the first time we've been asked this question. We will do the
>> same thing that the creators of BitTorrent do every time a bomb manual or
>> pirated piece of software shows up on their network. I think people
>> underestimate our ability to police the network. It is an experimental
>> software protocol and not a centralized business. We also do not stand to
>> take a profit, perform arbitration for merchants or buyers or have any kind
>> of business relationship with content creators on the network. The network
>> is agnostic and therefore is not opinionated about its usage. Will it be
>> used for nefarious purposes? Possibly. Will it be used to do amazingly
>> positive things? Possibly. We shall see.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???> wrote:
>>
>> My question is, when hit men set up shop on *OpenBazaar*, what will you
>> do Brian?
>>
>> Apologies if this is off tangent, but I am genuinely curious. This
>> platform stands to be the best replacement for Silk Road. You don't think
>> the government will blame you or the team for everything that is done on
>> the site? I promise you, I know many dealers ready to sell all sorts of
>> things that I have a feeling will put you in a morally precarious situation.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:23 AM, ben <colypse@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Wont paying tax and to support a government that uses deathpenalty as
>>> a punishment makes every person techincally a murderer? Does it make a
>>> difference who inject the needle or pulls the electricity switch?
>>>
>>> 2015-02-07 13:20 GMT+01.00, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???>:
>>> > Huh?? ... what???? Whaaaa????
>>> >
>>> > All im putring forth is that murder for hire to protect some addresses
>>> in
>>> > the name of money is morally wrong from my perspective. If someone has
>>> a
>>> > valid criticism here Im open ears and arms.
>>> > --
>>> > Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my
>>> brevity.
>>> >
>>> > Damian <i3inary@???> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> i like to imagine that shiva taught cody how to breakdance and he is
>>> >> windmilling like a mofo. all destruction leads to creation...each
>>> time
>>> >> something is destroyed (from ideas to the physical) we build again
>>> imbuing
>>> >> our creations with and greater intelligence each time...the patterns
>>> that
>>> >> i observe seem to suggest that we need destruction to increase the
>>> >> resolution of phi in each creation cycle. we need more codys
>>> fearlessly
>>> >> busting down the technical, philosophical, economic, social, and
>>> >> political, decaying yet comfortable, falsehoods just as we need micro
>>> >> organisms to breakdown dead or decaying organic matter. stagnation in
>>> >> these areas of human culture has weakened the species over the
>>> millennia
>>> >> to the point that it may have crossed a threshold of fragility and it
>>> >> seems that the fractal manifests the system busting entities to help
>>> to
>>> >> accelerate creation by destruction and move us into a robust upgraded
>>> >> human culture.
>>> >>
>>> >> don't hate the player hate the game...recognize your cosmic role and
>>> dance
>>> >> your spirit's dance...you need no ones permission or approval and you
>>> will
>>> >> be in bliss with the wind at your back. if you are standing in your
>>> truth
>>> >> then push the envelope and watch it bend beyond any logic or
>>> understanding
>>> >> of any human.
>>> >>
>>> >> the more one focuses their consciousness on judgement of other beings
>>> the
>>> >> thicker and higher one is building the walls of their own metaphysical
>>> >> prison.
>>> >>
>>> >> afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.
>>> >>
>>> >> if you don't know what you don't know then how much do you actually
>>> know?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Alec Spier <
>>> alec.spier@???>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Cody,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Alright I'll admit I've not really considered arguments against my
>>> >>> position as long as my position is that it is immoral to kill another
>>> >>> person for the quest of power and control. I'm not a philosopher or
>>> >>> theologian and I am not well-versed in philosophical debate and maybe
>>> >>> I've got a rigid view of right and wrong. However I have a compass
>>> inside
>>> >>> me which points to what I personally think is right and wrong and
>>> that's
>>> >>> all I've got. If you don't mind giving me something clear that I can
>>> >>> understand why Ross's actions were justified please give them to me.
>>> I'm
>>> >>> not stupid or stubborn, but the moral justification of his actions
>>> aren't
>>> >>> apparent to me and they seem to be overt to you. If you've got a way
>>> you
>>> >>> can put it so that I might understand you I'm willing to listen.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 1:27 AM
>>> >>> From: "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>> >>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>> >>> Alec, it's because you've never actually considered the arguments
>>> against
>>> >>> your position. Where to begin? Nietzsche on free will and
>>> responsibility
>>> >>> as the tools of the theologian? The instinct of life and will to
>>> power?
>>> >>> It's there in Sartre too. As far back as Spinoza.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Free men are the makers of their own morality and independent,
>>> long-range
>>> >>> will.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> JG, yes naivete is what continues to strike me too from all of this.
>>> >>> Surely we were all shocked he was caught in San Francisco. I want to
>>> >>> think he was just riding the dragon. Caught up in an incredible and
>>> >>> growing singularity, a composition that had always exceeded him.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> How to the understand the daily beyond-the-law of his situation? I am
>>> >>> still not making of him a hero.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Alec Spier <
>>> alec.spier@???>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I don't really understand the ambiguity here. He's down with killing
>>> >>>> people whom may not have even been the ones that threatened him. How
>>> >>>> confident can you be in your offsec that you can pinpoint someone
>>> from
>>> >>>> their handle via Tor and be sure it's not a patsy being set up?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 12:04 AM
>>> >>>> From: "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???>
>>> >>>> To: unsystem@???
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>> >>>> He could have just said "ehh.... Well fuck this has gotten too
>>> hairy.
>>> >>>> I'm just going to send all coins to different addresses and in a
>>> month
>>> >>>> or two post an option for anybody to get their coins back with
>>> their SR
>>> >>>> credentials. If anybody doesn't get their coins I'll just pay them
>>> out
>>> >>>> of my jillions. Time to be on my way with a plane ticket to
>>> >>>> INSERT-NATION and be on my way with my gazillions and gazillions of
>>> >>>> dollars"
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You don't kill people. It is that simple. Killing people is wrong
>>> unless
>>> >>>> it's absolutely, entirely necessary, and as demonstrated above it
>>> wasn't
>>> >>>> necessary, he could have walked away a free man, his greed was his
>>> >>>> downfall and he deserves to be in prison for attempted murder.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 11:49 PM
>>> >>>> From: "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???>
>>> >>>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>> >>>> Fundamental there are 3 choices human being have in the face of
>>> >>>> conflict.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> A) seek to find a win-win scenario. This means seek to establish
>>> >>>> Universal* (your word Cody, not mine) rules of interaction. This is
>>> what
>>> >>>> Bitcoin IS. A set of rules by which to exchange value. This is also
>>> what
>>> >>>> the internet is, a set of rules by which to transfer & exchange
>>> >>>> information.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> B) Seek to impose your will on the other regardless of their
>>> >>>> preferences, aka win-lose. This is how the state operates and what
>>> they
>>> >>>> are doing to everyone in prison and everyone harmed by the war on
>>> drugs,
>>> >>>> and the pharma monopolies. This path is one of power struggles and
>>> >>>> violence. Did Ross act unethically for threatening violence, when
>>> the
>>> >>>> alternative was being caged by the state? Given that the state is
>>> the
>>> >>>> one raising the stakes of this poker game, and without them this
>>> would
>>> >>>> be a non issue, than it is obvious to me they must enter the moral
>>> >>>> calculation.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> C) avoid interaction. This one has its limits ofcourse and is an
>>> >>>> extension of B. It could be argued that Ross is responsible for
>>> >>>> attempted murder simply because he made the choices that landed him
>>> in
>>> >>>> that situation, for even getting involved with building Silk Road
>>> and
>>> >>>> setting him self up to be in that situation.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> You see, blackmail does not simply go away once you pay them off.
>>> The
>>> >>>> attacker can keep coming back, and to not comply in Ross's situation
>>> >>>> could have been life in prison. What would you have done Adam? what
>>> >>>> alternatives?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yes he ended up there regardless, though so far he has not been
>>> charged
>>> >>>> with attempted murder.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ultimately, if Ross is guilty of anything, I think it is of
>>> Naivety. Had
>>> >>>> he encrypted his journal and named it "Cat pictures"... or not used
>>> his
>>> >>>> gmail with his full name on it... maybe than this would be a
>>> different
>>> >>>> story.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Perhaps he should have waited for decentralized markets to emerge.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Given all of this, was he not aware of the state's brutality?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> And I must ask, did his friends and family not warn him of the
>>> ruthless
>>> >>>> beast that writes the laws? This counts regardless of whether they
>>> knew
>>> >>>> or not what he was up to.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Adam B. Levine
>>> >>>> <adam@???> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hey Alec, I'm pretty sure you just got cursed by Cody Wilson!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>> >>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> >>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>>> codywilson@???>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> May you be faced with a terrible choice, Spier. You should be
>>> slower
>>> >>>>>> to second-guess him.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:07 PM, "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> http://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/
>>> >>>>>>> ^^ like this as theres support for Tor and Bitmessage. If we
>>> could
>>> >>>>>>> get the openbazaar arbitration scheme integrated or rep-based
>>> >>>>>>> arbiters as optional it would be superior to both current
>>> products.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Cody: "Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we
>>> should
>>> >>>>>>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well."
>>> >>>>>>> Actions speak louder than words... maybe I misunderstood this
>>> >>>>>>> statement but it sounds a bit chickenshit honestly.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 6:33 PM
>>> >>>>>>> From: "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>> >>>>>>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Adam, yes I'll do it. I don't want you to think I'm avoiding you.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Circling back to your point about tyranny's obsolescence.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I want to talk about soft tyranny and State power's abstract and
>>> >>>>>>> constitutive dimension. Its construction of the individual
>>> subject as
>>> >>>>>>> a political unit. There are walls to tear down other than the
>>> >>>>>>> physical. That's why I took the time to do this Foundation song
>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> dance. The moral majority in Bitcoin is hideous and due a real
>>> >>>>>>> reckoning.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Regarding disruption without alternative, I'm sure it's clear I
>>> cast
>>> >>>>>>> my lot with the secret complicity all people have with the
>>> disaster.
>>> >>>>>>> Take the world financial and the sovereign debt games for
>>> examples.
>>> >>>>>>> We all know no real break from this circus comes without a reset
>>> and
>>> >>>>>>> some hard landings. Alternatives or no.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> We're all allergic to this overwhelming power. We're all praying
>>> to
>>> >>>>>>> see something, anything else.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 6:22 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>> adam@???>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> "Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any
>>> luck
>>> >>>>>>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will
>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>> black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way,
>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>> you really stop being a liberal?"
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I have no problem with black markets, my point is that by just
>>> >>>>>>>> allowing projects like this to emerge they naturally obsolete
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> monopoly of the state and make it impossible to have most forms
>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>> tyranical government because the government isn't a party to the
>>> >>>>>>>> transactions.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> If on the other hand we emphasize the disruptive nature and
>>> >>>>>>>> antagonize the status quo without actually building solutions
>>> on the
>>> >>>>>>>> tech that is now available we'll find it illegal and then while
>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>> will still be continued by people willing to break the law the
>>> >>>>>>>> progress will slow down exponentially and the utility will drop
>>> to a
>>> >>>>>>>> fraction of what it would be if it was not just disruptive but
>>> also
>>> >>>>>>>> obviously too useful to fight. You might say this is good
>>> because
>>> >>>>>>>> it forces the hand of the state, I think that's a really short
>>> >>>>>>>> sighted point of view given things are naturally being
>>> obsoleted as
>>> >>>>>>>> we continue to build.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Seems like we've all made our points, Cody did you want to come
>>> on
>>> >>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! to chat on this and related topics? I think
>>> >>>>>>>> it's a very relevant discussion.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>> >>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> >>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Cody R Wilson
>>> >>>>>>>> <codywilson@???> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any
>>> luck
>>> >>>>>>>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will
>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>> black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way,
>>> do
>>> >>>>>>>>> you really stop being a liberal?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> This thread was about Ross' Trial and now judgment, and ethical
>>> >>>>>>>>> questions like yours which were not entirely rhetorical. The
>>> >>>>>>>>> conversation became about morality and murder.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I say a militant ethics is required, and bad subjects
>>> necessary, to
>>> >>>>>>>>> depose the state-form. A great place to start examining your
>>> head
>>> >>>>>>>>> is with your acceptance of universal morality, which I offer
>>> is as
>>> >>>>>>>>> much a "product" as Swiss cheese.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should
>>> >>>>>>>>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:52 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>> adam@???>
>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> The gun thing? As mentioned, you seem to take on the mission
>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>> proving that the state can't actually enforce their
>>> monopolies of
>>> >>>>>>>>>> control as being the entire job. That is great but again only
>>> >>>>>>>>>> demonstrates that the illusion is an illusion, it does not
>>> provide
>>> >>>>>>>>>> any alternatives or solutions. Things like OpenBazaar are
>>> actual
>>> >>>>>>>>>> solutions so that when the current paradigm falls apart there
>>> are
>>> >>>>>>>>>> better systems not just hypothetically theoretical but
>>> actually
>>> >>>>>>>>>> working in real life before we needed them.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> What good is it destroying the existing paradigm if you've got
>>> >>>>>>>>>> nothing better to replace it with? Decentralized tools that
>>> >>>>>>>>>> enable p2p interactions and commerce without a trusted third
>>> party
>>> >>>>>>>>>> seem to solve that.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> So aren't projects like what Brian and I are working neccesary
>>> >>>>>>>>>> alternatives for when people come around to your way of seeing
>>> >>>>>>>>>> things? I just don't get the whole point out the problem but
>>> shit
>>> >>>>>>>>>> on attempts at building something different and better thing.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really not see the difference between openbazaar and
>>> silk
>>> >>>>>>>>>> road? They are structured very differently.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brian Hoffman
>>> >>>>>>>>>> <brian@???> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many have you guys sold? I feel like I haven't heard
>>> about it
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> since it came out. Seems irrelevant.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>>> codywilson@???>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you hear me sighing?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take DD's little Ghost Gunner. At once a reversion, a
>>> baiting of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the state regulatory imagination into overdrive, and the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> literalization of its own nightmare. We understand the
>>> spirit of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> terror.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, no. I'm casting all these pearls because so many of YOU
>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> become them, and you don't have to mettle to stand in
>>> judgment
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Ulbricht.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:33 PM, "Washington Sanchez"
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Meet terror with terror..."
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What a skilful use of the leviathan's ideological hegemony
>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> justify a corrupt conscience. You are not merely emulating
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their tactics, you have become them. How disappointing.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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