Cody, I'm willing to hear you out here I understand you're a smart compassionate dude, but I mean how do you justify his actions?

 

I did not believe he put a hit on anybody until just recently. If his journal is found to be some counterfeit written in his handwriting (that he did not attempt to deny was his) then I will reconsider. I see no problem in Doxxing the guy threatening to Dox your customers......but murdering the person? He thought that person was real, furthermore he paid for others who were less involved being taken out.

What were the terrible choices he had to face?

A: Be blackmailed and pay the blackmail, close up shop and leave with deca-deca-millions. Improve security and open another store.

B: Pay the blackmail and stay open. Be blackmailed again potentially.

C: Tell the guy to fuck off, close shop and leave with your deca-deca-millions.

D: Tell the guy to fuck off, keep shop open risk him releasing the customer lists and allow the customers to be responsible for their own actions of giving their addresses and names to anonymous people on the internet.

E: CLOSE SHOP, LAY LOW, MAKE A NEW WEBSITE

 

F (for FAIL): Have a man whose identity you are not even definitively sure of (considering he didn't end up being existent) murdered...along with anybody else threatening your clientele.
 

Just about every other option could have had him not cross the line and attempt to pay for people to DIE. Sorry but there's not any clear excuse for this action in my eyes, if you can explain one to me I'm willing to listen.

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May you be faced with a terrible choice, Spier. You should be slower to second-guess him.

On Feb 6, 2015 8:07 PM, "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???> wrote:




http://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/
^^ like this as theres support for Tor and Bitmessage. If we could get the openbazaar arbitration scheme integrated or rep-based arbiters as optional it would be superior to both current products.

Cody: "Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should consider that he was supremely ethical as well."
Actions speak louder than words... maybe I misunderstood this statement but it sounds a bit chickenshit honestly.
 

Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 6:33 PM
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To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
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Adam, yes I'll do it. I don't want you to think I'm avoiding you.

Circling back to your point about tyranny's obsolescence.

I want to talk about soft tyranny and State power's abstract and constitutive dimension. Its construction of the individual subject as a political unit. There are walls to tear down other than the physical. That's why I took the time to do this Foundation song and dance. The moral majority in Bitcoin is hideous and due a real reckoning.

Regarding disruption without alternative,  I'm sure it's clear I cast my lot with the secret complicity all people have with the disaster. Take the world financial and the sovereign debt games for examples. We all know no real break from this circus comes without a reset and some hard landings. Alternatives or no.

We're all allergic to this overwhelming power. We're all praying to see something, anything else.

On Feb 6, 2015 6:22 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???> wrote:





"Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any luck it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do you really stop being a liberal?"
 
I have no problem with black markets, my point is that by just allowing projects like this to emerge they naturally obsolete the monopoly of the state and make it impossible to have most forms of tyranical government because the government isn't a party to the transactions.

If on the other hand we emphasize the disruptive nature and antagonize the status quo without actually building solutions on the tech that is now available we'll find it illegal and then while it will still be continued by people willing to break the law the progress will slow down exponentially and the utility will drop to a fraction of what it would be if it was not just disruptive but also obviously too useful to fight.  You might say this is good because it forces the hand of the state, I think that's a really short sighted point of view given things are naturally being obsoleted as we continue to build.
 

Seems like we've all made our points, Cody did you want to come on Let's Talk Bitcoin! to chat on this and related topics?  I think it's a very relevant discussion.



 


Adam B. Levine
Editor-in-Chief
Let's Talk Bitcoin!


 

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:


Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any luck it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do you really stop being a liberal?

This thread was about Ross' Trial and now judgment, and ethical questions like yours which were not entirely rhetorical. The conversation became about morality and murder.

I say a militant ethics is required, and bad subjects necessary, to depose the state-form. A great place to start examining your head is with your acceptance of universal morality, which I offer is as much a "product" as Swiss cheese.

Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should consider that he was supremely ethical as well.



On Feb 6, 2015 5:52 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???> wrote:




The gun thing?  As mentioned, you seem to take on the mission of proving that the state can't actually enforce their monopolies of control as being the entire job. That is great but again only demonstrates that the illusion is an illusion, it does not provide any alternatives or solutions.  Things like OpenBazaar are actual solutions so that when the current paradigm falls apart there are better systems not just hypothetically theoretical but actually working in real life before we needed them.
 
What good is it destroying the existing paradigm if you've got nothing better to replace it with?  Decentralized tools that enable p2p interactions and commerce without a trusted third party seem to solve that.

 

So aren't projects like what Brian and I are working neccesary alternatives for when people come around to your way of seeing things?  I just don't get the whole point out the problem but shit on attempts at building something different and better thing. 

Do you really not see the difference between openbazaar and silk road?  They are structured very differently.


 


Adam B. Levine
Editor-in-Chief
Let's Talk Bitcoin!


 

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???> wrote:



How many have you guys sold? I feel like I haven't heard about it since it came out. Seems irrelevant.


On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
 





Can you hear me sighing?

Take DD's little Ghost Gunner. At once a reversion, a baiting of the state regulatory imagination into overdrive, and the literalization of its own nightmare. We understand the spirit of terror.

So, no. I'm casting all these pearls because so many of YOU have become them, and you don't have to mettle to stand in judgment of Ulbricht.

On Feb 6, 2015 5:33 PM, "Washington Sanchez" <washington.sanchez@???> wrote:


"Meet terror with terror..."

What a skilful use of the leviathan's ideological hegemony to justify a corrupt conscience. You are not merely emulating their tactics, you have become them. How disappointing.

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