Hey buddy, you're in the wrong line of work if you can't stomach a militant
ethics or name your adversary.

In this case, bourgouis legality and its attendant universals are keeping
you in check. You, with openbazaar no less.

I expect you'll be singing on the stand, yes?
On Feb 6, 2015 1:09 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???> wrote:

> So conspiracy to attempt murder is ethical now? I think I've heard
> everything. I'll buy that this trial wasn't about him trying to murder
> anyone, but that's a fucking weak argument. I like how you casually place
> murder in that "protection" bucket.
>
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>
> Not only that, it is ethical to protect your suppliers and customers from
> ruin when another party threatens them with state violence.
>
> Ross' takedown was also necessary because of his ethics.
> On Feb 6, 2015 12:35 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
> wrote:
>
>> I think the point was not that he committed murder or was accused of
>> committing murder, it was that the defense did not deny that his intention
>> was for someone to be murdered and he took steps that he thought would lead
>> to that outcome.
>>
>> Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay someone to murder
>> someone else because you think they threaten your illegal business?
>>
>> Adam B. Levine
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski <
>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money laundering
>>> conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent identification... and variations of
>>> what I already mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was
>>> never indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it even in
>>> this mailing list shows how effective of a slander strategy it was
>>> On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought? And was
>>>> convicted on drug trafficking, hacking, and money laundering. Julia, do you
>>>> have a full list of what the conviction was?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> He was confident because "I have an answer for everything"
>>>>>
>>>>> unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present half of their
>>>>> evidence , and half of their witnesses were not allowed to speak either.
>>>>>
>>>>> His fait was sealed before it even started.
>>>>> On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the trial, havn't had
>>>>>> time. However, the CIA has admitted to false flag operations and Its hard
>>>>>> to argue that it is above them to do such a thing in this case,
>>>>>> particularly given how the Silk Road arguable threatens the status quo in
>>>>>> regards to the war on drugs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty is with Ross.
>>>>>> However, if those threats were indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes,
>>>>>> that alone would deserve moral judgment and appropriate social action.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias Groennebaek <
>>>>>> mathias@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have I missed something, or did the defence not really provide any
>>>>>>> particular proof of Ross not having ordered the hit on several people? And
>>>>>>> if so, why is it so hard to understand why he has been convicted, when
>>>>>>> there is an ample amount of proof that he did indeed do so?
>>>>>>> From a moral perspective, anyone involved in a murder should in my
>>>>>>> honest opinion be convicted of their crimes. The silk road trial and a
>>>>>>> discussion in general about drugs and their legality is a separate matter
>>>>>>> entirely to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt <eljuangalt@???>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone with enough mind to think about it for a few minutes knows
>>>>>>>> this trial has been rigged from the start.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "It is important to note that since there is no victim to Ross’s
>>>>>>>> alleged illegal activity this court case is not founded on contract law.
>>>>>>>> And given the 500+ variations of cannabis that was traded on the Silk Road,
>>>>>>>> it’s hard to say it was even anti-democratic with the plant being one of
>>>>>>>> the most popular recreational and medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>>>>>>>> controversy remains illegal."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Touche
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What's reddit?
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Meh it's just fun times. Don't tell me all the Reddit babble has
>>>>>>>>>> you rattled. I'm just messing with you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey Brian, if I don't know better I'd say you were being snide.
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And he endorses you for Bitcoin Foundation board as a result of
>>>>>>>>>>> your support.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As I've said before, I support him because of what he is
>>>>>>>>>>> accused. Not despite it.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>>>>>>>>>> adam@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Does whether or not Ross did what he is being accused of and
>>>>>>>>>>>> tried for, matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>>>>>>>>>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched his father breakdown on the phone with Ross's sister
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and my world has been frozen since that moment. I cannot imagine their pain
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even after witnessing it. His mother is staying very strong, it's not over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the jury members was smiling when they announced it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm so disappointed in the basic nature of the common, the "Justice"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine did its job today. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 5:42 PM, "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take heart. We knew this part was likely. We find the real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> battle in challenging the US' acquisition of the server info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't argue the facts, but we can put them to proof on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 4:40 PM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guilty on all charges :(:(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2015 12:49 PM, "Andrew Miller" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amiller@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > um by the way, did anyone notice what is happening in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Puerto Rico with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the Bitcoin Foundation and that ZeroCash project, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did present at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the prior FinCrypto, is noticeably ABSENT from this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming one? See:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://fc15.ifca.ai (yeah, interesting read)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think your point is that because there's no research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zerocash or an extension being presented at FC or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop, that it might be being squelched/unwelcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation influence there? That's not the case... members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zerocash team will be there and will probably present a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update of some kind at the rump session.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you're also suggesting that because the Bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sponsor of the FC conference that it's corrupted by it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that's the case... it's an academic research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a panel of researchers reviews (blindedly) the papers that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submit, and selects the ones that are technically best. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any evidence of corruption in this process but I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any questions you have about it. This conference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> originated during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first crypto wars, when cryptography was on the verge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal; kowtowing to anti-privacy interested would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perverse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against its culture. Also there's a session in the bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about (improving) Bitcoin privacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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