>     On 12/25/2014 9:15 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>>     Can you guys believe this:

>>     A Desktop with 6G of RAM running Ubuntu 14.10 with systemd +
>>     pulseaudio:

>>     USER       PID %CPU *_%MEM_*    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START  
>>     TIME COMMAND
>>     userzyx   25830   0.3 *_75.0_*  6171772 4487884 ?     S<l  Dez16
>>      46:11 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog

>>     Pulseaudio is consuming *_75% of my RAM MEMORY!!!_* WTF IS THIS
>>     THING??!!! And I'm not playing a single music!

>     Let's play devil's advocate for just a moment. Don't misunderstand
>     me.  I'm all for hating crappy code, but let's hate with good
>     reason and precision.

>     Why are you comparing metrics on an unstable version of the OS?
>     Ubuntu clearly states that the non-LTS releases are intended for
>     developers and early adopters only.  You will have bugs when you
>     use a version of the OS that isn't properly vetted and released
>     every 6 months, come what may.  The cause of this issue could be
>     anything, including the underlying ALSA stack, or a library that
>     PA is linked to, maybe even memory pages requested by your DE
>     interface to PA.  Do you have actual evidence that PA is the real
>     culprit, say a stack trace?

>     I remember at least one case of where I traced audio problems, not
>     to PA, but a bad codec used by gstreamer.

>>     I still do not believe that Debian was taken over by the shit
>>     that come out of Lennart / RedHat (sorry about the bad words).
>>     And the Linux community will put almost all the eggs into the
>>     systemd basket!! For God's sake, what a fuck is wrong with those
>>     people??? Well, I really don't care anymore, we have Devuan! YAY!
>>        ^_^

>     Before you blame Poettering or RedHat you should make sure that
>     they are actually to blame for your problem.  To my knowledge,
>     Poettering doesn't work on PA as much these days.

>>     I was trusting my professional life on Debian team and now, this
>>     crap... The good of open source is that we have the power to make
>>     forks... Whew!
>     Ubuntu is not Debian.  Not by a long shot.  Ubuntu is a version of
>     Debian Unstable, which should never be used on serious work.

>>     Lets include apulse and also, jackd. And _kick_ pulseaudio
>>     alongside with systemd.

>>     Honestly, I don't even care anymore about systemd, neither as an
>>     option, it is impossible to trust on this thing, because of
>>     Lennart past projects (and obvious, because of systemd terrible /
>>     creepy architecture). I still open to uselessd + new udev, if it
>>     make easier to keep compatibility with upstream Debian while we
>>     need to keep syncing with it. Also, I like the idea of CGroup
>>     Process, if uselessd can achieve that (i.e, control/isolate
>>     process using Linux CGroups), then, it is a great thing! There
>>     are space for a new Init System and systemd is NOT it.

>     Dropping code because of the dislike one person without making
>     sure that you can build your entire tree first without it, is not
>     a sensible thing to do.  It is not in the best interests of users.

>>     Happy new year!   :-)

>     Likewise!

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