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Author: snakecharmr
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To: System undo crew
Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] oh fuck yes
"5% of the general population are psychopaths"

This reeks of the authoritarian christian ethic that we need government because people are bad. A story that tells how humans are evil because of "original sin" or "psychopathy" or "ecological destruction" can easily be used as a justification for killing or abusing humans. Have you ever met a fundamentalist that hates people because of sin?

Don't get me wrong, I know there is such a thing as psychopathy, but physiologically it generally corresponds to a fucked up oxytocin system (usually related to childhood malnourishment/abuse) and using psychopathy as a excuse to control people sounds psychopathic to me.

Ever heard of this scam? It's called a protection racket. It goes like this: Joe and Moe work together, but act like they don't. Joe comes and threatens to hurt you if you don't give him money. Moe comes by and says "Watch out for this Joe guy, he's a real crook. Gimme some money and I'll keep him off your back". Then you pay one or the other and they both run off and share the funds...Long story short, the people who are trying to protect you from psychopaths might themselves be psychopaths. They can even feed your ego to help you believe their lies "You're a good person, but there's loooots of bad people out there"...


As far as preventing double sale of information, that's basically the insoluble problem with digital rights management: information is replicable. If you pay $1M to keep someone's mouth shut and you don't know who/where they are, there's no incentive for them not to release it, sell it to someone else or just extort you again for it.

I don't know if this slur thing is a good idea or not, but I don't buy into the "people are bad so don't empower them" story.



On Dec 24, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:

> Nothing, that's the brilliance of it. If goldman's can out-bid anyone
> else then it's not leaking, just extortion. Goldman's keeps a secret but
> they have to pay their own money to the release crew.
> What is a good question is if they get hit again by another crew, can
> they claim that the first crew went back on their promise? Maybe it will
> iron itself out as a plain extortion racket but the optimum size of a crew
> will never be that large so when they scale up, they become weak and
> vulnerable.
>
>
>
> On 12/24/2014 11:12 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>> Oh ok. I get it. So they build reputations for releasing valuable
>> information and people contribute towards the group for each hack? I may
>> have missed it but will you have a user rating system or how does that
>> work? What's stopping say, Goldman Sachs from buying back their own
>> information? Because you said the same information can't be sold twice.
>> On Dec 24, 2014 3:07 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Lone wolves will be the exception, the rule will be highly disciplined
>>> highly
>>> regulated "release groups". Imagine lulzsec but with intelligence agency
>>> level
>>> financing. These groups will have the promotion capability to inform the
>>> world
>>> about the presence of information and garner the funding support.
>>> Individual
>>> leakers will need to approach a release group for distribution otherwise
>>> they
>>> will not be taken seriously.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/24/2014 09:43 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>>>> I like the idea, but how do you know the information has any value?
>>>> Also, how do you prevent people from reselling information?
>>>> On Dec 24, 2014 1:32 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ``
>>>>> Its estimated that 5% of the general population are psychopaths.
>>>>> Introducing financial incentive in an anonymous framework will produce a
>>>>> greater yield of leaked information than from say the ideology that
>>> drove
>>>>> patriots like Edward Snowden. For every idealist willing to selflessly
>>>>> sacrifice their freedom, assets and even risk their lives for a greater
>>>>> good, there are 1000 psychopaths willing to anonymously sell out their
>>>>> peers for material gain.
>>>>> ''
>>>>>
>>>>> Capitalist self-annihilation by the vampire zombie of Ayn Rand.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://slur.io/
>>>>>
>>>>> brb making popcorn
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