On Monday, 1 de December de 2014 04:34:52 Franco Lanza escribió:
> I would really that this bullshit against systemd-nosystemd will stop.
> anyway:
>
> On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 03:45:57AM +0000, Gregory Smith wrote:
> > If you keep systemd then there is no point to this project.
>
> False.
> We are NOT against systemd. we are against HOW systemd is hijacking
> the system, and against it forced to all by default.
>
> Devuan will NOT force anyone to use it, and will keep the system usable
> without systemd.
>
> But this isn't meaning that if someone like to eat shit we must force it
> to not to eat it.
>
> > """
> > As already known, we are NOT against systemd. We are pro-freedom.
> > Systemd WILL BE supported in devuan. Just not in the same manner as it
> > is in debian where it eat whole system.
> > """
>
> I confirm this.
> Our intention is to offer a distro where you can be totally systemd
> free.
> But there is NO point in deny it if someone want to use it, assuming
> this don't destroy the rest of the choices.
>
> > Ugh. Subverted from the very start. Even includes the bullshit
> > emphasis trying to beat down anyone who is against systemd.
> > What kind of people is "we". This is the debian mailing list
> > ALL (see I can do it too) over again. Disgusting and sad.
> > I hope Mr. "We" is not actually a rep.
>
> Mr. "we", me for istance, was exposing the view of "we" as VUA,
> the group that started this fork.
>
> > Sadly :(
> > We don't get any choice. Even the "anti-systemd" fork
> > is going with systemd. (As the above poster with his
> > all caps emphasis showed: it would be crazy to think
> > the fork against systemd would "NOT" include systemd.
> > Crazy! You Fool! Get out!!)
>
> If you are anti-systemd, you are welcome. With devuan you will be NOT
> forced to use it. By default you will NOT have it installed at all.
> You WILL have the choice to use it ONLY IN CASE YOU CHOOSE it.
> And you will get it only in case that having it in the distro doesn't
> conflict with other things and remain a configuration where you can
> remove it safely without broke whole system.
>
> > Disgusting and profoundly disappointing.
> >
> > People have given you money to have an old style linux
> > without systemd. No systemd. Don't be soft and nice.
>
> People are giving money to be free to choose whetever to use or not
> systemd. To have the freedom to avoid it, and to don't have it imposed
> by default. With devuan they will NOT forced to use it. If we can we will
> grant the freedom even to use it, not by default anyway. But we will NOT
> force anyone to have anything from it.

+PI

That's a true idea of freedom, similar to that of "I do not like what you say
but I'll defend your right to say it".

I do not like systemd but I'll defend user's right to use it and to not to use
it.

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