On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 12:22:08AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >I confirm this.
> >Our intention is to offer a distro where you can be totally systemd
> >free.
> >But there is NO point in deny it if someone want to use it, assuming
> >this don't destroy the rest of the choices.
>
> Aye, but that's the rub. The systemd developers are doing everything they
> can to force systemd on the rest of us - by gobbling up functionality into a
> monolithic hairball, and creating lots of dependencies.
>
> It sure looks like allowing it anywhere is almost a guarantee that it will
> engulf and devour everywhere.

Probably i'm not clear enough.
This is the philosophy side: we give freedom even to eat shit if someone
really like to.

This is the reality side: we will give shit only if we can. If we
can't, no shit, sorry.

This mean that by principes we will try to let systemd be an option
assuming that it can be done. If there is no way to have it as an option
and you must choose "or systemd in whole system or no systemd", well,
our choice will be no systemd.

> "a distro where you can be totally systemd free"
> and
> "if someone want to use it, assuming this don't destroy the rest of the
> choices"
>
> are fundamentally incompatible.

Ok, assuming you right, we will try to be closer to it as feasible.


> At the very least, what say we achieve the first, BEFORE, putting any energy
> into the second.

The very first file of devuan is a pinning out of systemd-sysv at -1
level pinning. This should be an answer on this.

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