Hi Odinn,
Thanks for your reply, I know taking a socialist position on an
unabashedly libertarian list is not going to be popular but I sent it
here because I really want to be fact-checked.
~nothing more infuriating than bobbing heads of unconstructive agreement..

Your link speaks of "Rights of The State", this immediately struck me
because I don't any longer care about rights, I care about people.

I was born in the USA which pays awful heed to Rights and Justice, and
trucks millions off to prison cells for violation of The Law. I was a
fervent follower of the libertarian dogma myself it because it looks so
damned good on paper (I even have a pair of Ron Paul tshirts to prove it).

The question I have is "where's the beef?" where is the libertarian
stateless utopia? I understand we can't have perfect now so maybe there
is something moving in the right direction, a small-government state
where individual liberties are protected? Give me any example you like as
long as it's not some kind of libertarian community which exists under the
protective umbrella of a social state.

I've not been able to find any such example and so have taken to trying
to understand why what looks so good in theory doesn't apply in practice.



On 10/20/2014 02:51 AM, odinn wrote:
> Caleb,
>
> I don't want to waste energy typing in my own words here what someone
> else has written in a way that I think would enhance understanding of
> this subject in a better way than if I were to comment further on it.
>
> With that said, I think you really need to read (and carefully
> re-read) the following article, which I submit may well enhance your
> understanding of this matter substantially:
> http://c4ss.org/content/32570
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Odinn
>
>
>
> Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>> I have a hypotheses which has been percolating in the back of my
>> mind for some time now and I thought now is a good time to share
>> it.
>
>> For all that libertarian systems offer in theory, they have a
>> distinct problem that when it comes to practice. Unless you
>> consider Texas a utopia, libertarian utopias don't really exist and
>> I wanted to study how something which looks so good on paper
>> manages to fail so completely in practice.
>
>> To be ruled by law, as opposed to being ruled by men, means to me
>> that nobody can just order your execution or imprisonment without
>> dire consequences. Given wealth and power are interchangeable, if
>> you live in a country where one person controls 99% of the wealth
>> of the nation, there is no rule of law. He can just simply up the
>> government and whatever checks and balances you put in place he can
>> undo or subvert. Judges, as impartial as they might like to be, do
>> not live in a vacuum and challenging a de-facto dictator is not
>> good for one's health.
>
>> Therefore, wealth redistribution is not about paying alms to the
>> poor but about making sure that nobody amasses such power as to
>> threaten society as a whole.
>
>
>
>> tl;dr wealth and power are interchangeable, wealth/power pools up
>> in certain lucky and industrious individuals, without
>> redistributing it, democracies devolve into oligarchies and then
>> eventually into monarchy or chaos. The US is in the oligarchy
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