Hello,

First, Gregory, thanks for the very fast response. I greatly appreciate
your reply on this which I've been tracking for some time.

On 2014-10-08 16:57, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> To start on your question, (1) I've been talking to Amir about
> releasing part of the funds (10 BTC of it, IIRC) for Dark Wallet's
> work which I understand is pretty good. As expressed in the thread,
> the emphasis has always been on practically useful tools. The first
> coinjoins were done years ago, and had been done many times via irc
> before the coinjoin post and the thread. The gap is making them
> available to ordinary users.

Thank you, this is good to hear.

>
> (2) I also have some small amounts earmarked for Andrew Polestra's
> coinjoiner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=432121.0 which
> beyond being pretty useful resulted in discovering some weaknesses
> which must be avoided, like avoiding theft when two users want to pay
> the same amount to the same address), Petertodd's dust-b-gone, and
> work on coinshuffle which didn't yet seem mature enough... Before
> doing a payout I'll likely go through the discussions and suggest some
> other small bounties for other contributors too-- though I haven't
> discussed this with the other signers. I'd also like to do the first
> bounty payout as a coinjoin itself. The bulk would be remaining for
> future work as there is still a long way to go in terms of usability
> and freedom from centralized servers in all implementations. I
> started some notes a while back at
> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User:Gmaxwell/state_of_coinjoin if you've
> been doing your own research on the state of affairs please feel free
> to update that page with more citations.

Thank you, and I'll look more into that to see if there is something
that would warrant being added to that wiki.

>
> (on the timing part of 1) Due diligence requires that I at least
> _test_ darkwallet's functionality, and it's never been working on
> testnet when I've attempted to use it. When I last spoke to Amir
> about it there was currently some ongoing revision for a new version,
> and I was asked to wait, so I've been waiting to hear back again. I'll
> be glad to try it out whenever someone asks me to do so.
>
> (3) the coinshuffle work (which is a lot closer to my original
> proposal--
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139581.msg1488128#msg1488128
> -- than the simplified version in the coinjoin post) may eventually be
> something that is universally supported, but it's complex and probably
> needs to first be developed and matured outside of any single wallet.
>
> (I'm wondering if there is a reason you did not send this message to
> the other signers on the bounty)

I had some trouble finding all their addresses, my apologies for not
being broader in terms of the cc's on this. This is great to hear, I
will continue to track progress.

>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Odinn Cyberguerrilla
> <odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> This is a question for developers relative to the distribution of
>> funds
>> relating specifically to CoinJoin, in connection with a multisignature
>> fund
>> which is collectively held / managed by gmaxwell, sipa, and theymos.
>> The
>> fund in question is shown here with a balance of just over 42 BTC at
>> the
>> time of this e-mail:
>> http://blockchain.info/address/3M8XGFBKwkf7miBzpkU3x2DoWwAVrD1mhk
>>
>> In the past this has been discussed as part of a thread, example here:
>>
>> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20140523.092753.17963f9d.en.html
>>
>> Recently I posed questions relative to CoinJoin and its fund which can
>> be
>> seen from here, which included a response from laanwj on github:
>> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3226#issuecomment-58085920
>>
>> Following my posting of such questions, and a post I made on
>> bitcointalk
>> about it, I received a response also in bitcointalk, which can be seen
>> as
>> part of a thread here:
>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=799967.msg9123684#msg9123684
>> (in which wumpus suggested communication with Cozz as a possibility
>> relative
>> to the process of development of things that would be associated with
>> the
>> bounty)
>>
>> Finally there was recently a brief interaction twitter in which
>> (@orionwl on
>> twitter [Wladimir]) responded, which are shown as replies here,
>> https://twitter.com/AnonyOdinn/status/519228549362761728
>>
>> In my response to Wladimir I indicated I would pose this question
>> regarding
>> CoinJoin distribution to the list, thus this e-mail which I am sending
>> to
>> the list today is seeking an answer to certain questions.
>>
>> Following my communication on the subject my questions are as follows:
>>
>> 1) Since the earlier discussion on the Unsystem list in 2014 regarding
>> the
>> possibility of distribution of some or all of the bounty fund to
>> darkwallet,
>> has there been some agreement between Darkwallet developers and the
>> maintainers of the multisignature address (gmaxwell, sipa, theymos) as
>> to
>> how and when that might occur?
>> Additionally, did Amir Taaki ever get his part of the bounty for
>> implementing CoinJoin first? (It does not seem so from looking at the
>> multisignature fund, but please advise what has happened thus far.)
>>
>> 2) Are some proposals which the maintainers of that fund have
>> identified as
>> reasonable candidates to receive such funding? (If anyone knows of
>> such
>> please indicate what they are by way or reply.)
>>
>> 3) If core developers / maintainers of bitcoin are working towards a
>> technically better / easier to use proposal or proposals that could be
>> incorporated directly into bitcoin or made available through any
>> wallet,
>> what are these? Particularly in light of developments in the Russian
>> Federation, UNSC, and beyond, this seems timely to address.
>>
>> Where there is a way to protect users in a manner that clearly
>> addresses the
>> issues and problems of discoverability and linkability of
>> transactions, it
>> would certainly be good to see it integrated directly into bitcoin,
>> available in Core as an option, and made easy for various wallet
>> developers
>> to incorporate as well. Thank you for reading this and responding to
>> these
>> questions and concerns.
>>
>> Note: I've sent this to the Unsystem list and copied genjix, Cozz,
>> laanwj
>> ang gmaxwell, but if I should have included someone else please feel
>> free to
>> forward this along to them as well.
>> Thank you
>>
>>
>> -Odinn
>> https://keybase.io/odinn
>>
>>