> Ive been listening to watts a lot lately, and most of our worlds
> problems seems to me are created by everyone following their ego. And
> when its not real, a hallucination, or just an idea makes us still do
> crazy shit in its name.
>
> Watts also said that we need to leave our enviroments alone, and not
> try to master it(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXiSPpfM54), and I
> think that is what Amir said in the Keiser show is so great; its about
> the process. This whole experience of life and existence is evolving.
> And still when it seems that the world is getting worse its improving.
> "You wont find peaks without valleys, and no valley without peaks."
> watts
>
> 2014-10-07 9:03 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
>> Takes me back to studying Greek and Latin roots in primary school. Nice.
>> I
>> didn't know that (or forgot that I knew it!) about "person", and oddly it
>> hasn't occurred to me before. I hate when that happens. So this is a
>> Latin
>> compound, then.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:43 AM, ben <colypse@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you know that the word 'person' means 'mask'? The 'persona' which
>>> is the mask worn by actors in Greco-Roman drama, because it has a
>>> megaphone-type mouth which throws the sound out in an open-air
>>> theater. So the 'per'--through--'sona'--what the sound comes
>>> through--that's the mask. How to be a real person. How to be a genuine
>>> fake.
>>>
>>> -Allan Watts
>>>
>>> :)
>>>
>>> 2014-10-07 3:31 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
>>> > Oops.
>>> >
>>> > The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > In the middle of switching between domains over here. Sent from my
>>> > 2Peer.org address by mistake, and it's stuck in the ether. Sorry
>>> > Odin/admins. It's still me.
>>> >
>>> > -J
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The
>>> masks
>>> >>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would
>>> >>> permit
>>> >>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
>>> >>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
>>> >>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
>>> >>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal,
>>> >>> such
>>> >>> as romantic encounters.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all
>>> >>> citizens
>>> >>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the
>>> >>> right
>>> >>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
>>> >>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret
>>> >>> ballots
>>> in
>>> >>> modern democracies.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>>> >>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>> >>> > device
>>> >>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>> >>> > meet
>>> >>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food,
>>> >>> > make
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark
>>> >>> > deep
>>> >>> > web connections.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what
>>> >>> > will
>>> >>> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely
>>> >>> > legal
>>> >>> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact
>>> >>> > that
>>> >>> > you
>>> >>> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to
>>> >>> > deal
>>> >>> > with
>>> >>> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market
>>> >>> > selling
>>> >>> > the wine you like,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
>>> >>> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
>>> >>> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to
>>> >>> > de-anonymize,
>>> >>> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade
>>> >>> > or
>>> >>> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do
>>> >>> > do
>>> >>> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to
>>> >>> > get
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a
>>> >>> > HUD-like
>>> >>> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused
>>> >>> > (even
>>> >>> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
>>> >>> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything
>>> >>> > wrong
>>> >>> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost
>>> >>> > electricity
>>> >>> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere
>>> >>> > else.
>>> >>> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > find
>>> >>> > the most efficient way to do their business.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem?
>>> >>> > I'm
>>> >>> > on
>>> >>> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it
>>> >>> > violates
>>> >>> > the
>>> >>> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
>>> >>> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are
>>> >>> > rich.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > -J
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
>>> >>> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I think it's great that paranoid people are working on
>>> >>> > anonymous
>>> >>> deep
>>> >>> > web crypto.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing
>>> >>> > broken
>>> >>> > (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of
>>> >>> > buying
>>> >>> > low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings
>>> >>> > of
>>> >>> > industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
>>> >>> anon-coin-mining
>>> >>> > data centers.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>> >>> > device
>>> >>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>> >>> > meet
>>> >>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food,
>>> >>> > make
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark
>>> >>> > deep
>>> >>> > web connections.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
>>> >>> > > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous
>>> deep
>>> >>> web
>>> >>> > > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users
>>> demanding
>>> >>> privacy
>>> >>> > > and freedom from the legacy systems. There's already a new
>>> type
>>> >>> of
>>> >>> > > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC
>>> and
>>> >>> > > vice-versa. So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and
>>> also
>>> >>> into the
>>> >>> > > networks. While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on
>>> their
>>> >>> > plan to
>>> >>> > > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>. I've been
>>> >>> > involved with
>>> >>> > > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't
>>> >>> > have
>>> >>> > large masses
>>> >>> > > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything. If
>>> >>> anything
>>> >>> > > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
>>> >>> > pro-regulation
>>> >>> > > camps. And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once
>>> the
>>> >>> > coin is
>>> >>> > > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now. And
>>> >>> > anonymous
>>> >>> > plus
>>> >>> > > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here
>>> now.
>>> >>> > That's
>>> >>> > > where system-D monies will eventually start to head. Not to
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > permanently
>>> >>> > > public bitcoin blockchain. Also I don't feel that anything
>>> >>> > built
>>> >>> > off or
>>> >>> > > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real
>>> >>> > life
>>> >>> > or
>>> >>> > death
>>> >>> > > anonymity, but it may make users feel better. So could help
>>> >>> > further the
>>> >>> > > cryptocoin cause. Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's
>>> >>> > going
>>> >>> > to be be
>>> >>> > > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a
>>> >>> > day
>>> >>> > IMHO. While
>>> >>> > > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may
>>> >>> > add
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> > these
>>> >>> > > discussions. Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped
>>> raise
>>> >>> > funds also.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
>>> >>> > <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:
>>> washington.sanchez@???
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> > > wrote:
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
>>> >>> > > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
>>> >>> > <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>> >>> > > > wrote:
>>> >>> > > >
>>> >>> > > >> First I was censored
>>> >>> > > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This
>>> >>> > is
>>> >>> > the worst
>>> >>> > > >> type of thinking we can encounter.
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the
>>> >>> > government,
>>> >>> > but
>>> >>> > you have
>>> >>> > > >> to be pragmatic"
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but
>>> >>> > be
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > villain,
>>> >>> > > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there
>>> >>> > needs
>>> >>> > to
>>> >>> be
>>> >>> > > >> regulation"
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
>>> >>> reason.
>>> >>> > > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> - Juan Llanos
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> Me response
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327
>>> >>> > > >>
>>> >>> > > >> - Julia Tourianski
>>> >>> > > >>
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>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>> > Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
>>> >>> > hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
>>> >>> > 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
>>> >>> > grid.coop <http://grid.coop>
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the
>>> >>> > barrel,
>>> >>> > nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
>>> >>> >
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>>> >>
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