theater. So the 'per'--through--'sona'--what the sound comes
through--that's the mask. How to be a real person. How to be a genuine
> Oops.
>
> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>
>
> In the middle of switching between domains over here. Sent from my
> 2Peer.org address by mistake, and it's stuck in the ether. Sorry
> Odin/admins. It's still me.
>
> -J
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???> wrote:
>
>> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>>>
>>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The masks
>>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but have
>>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device for
>>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would permit
>>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
>>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
>>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
>>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal, such
>>> as romantic encounters.
>>>
>>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask and
>>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory to
>>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all citizens
>>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the right
>>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
>>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret ballots in
>>> modern democracies.
>>>
>>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>> > device
>>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>> > meet
>>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
>>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>>> > web connections.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what
>>> > will
>>> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely
>>> > legal
>>> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact that
>>> > you
>>> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to deal
>>> > with
>>> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market
>>> > selling
>>> > the wine you like,
>>> >
>>> > etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
>>> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
>>> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
>>> >
>>> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to
>>> > de-anonymize,
>>> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade or
>>> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do do
>>> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to get a
>>> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a
>>> > HUD-like
>>> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
>>> >
>>> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused (even
>>> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
>>> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything wrong
>>> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost electricity
>>> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere else.
>>> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources to
>>> > find
>>> > the most efficient way to do their business.
>>> >
>>> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem? I'm
>>> > on
>>> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it violates
>>> > the
>>> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
>>> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are
>>> > rich.
>>> >
>>> > -J
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
>>> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I think it's great that paranoid people are working on anonymous
>>> deep
>>> > web crypto.
>>> >
>>> > But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing
>>> > broken
>>> > (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of
>>> > buying
>>> > low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings of
>>> > industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
>>> anon-coin-mining
>>> > data centers.
>>> >
>>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>> > device
>>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>> > meet
>>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
>>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>>> > web connections.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
>>> > > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous deep
>>> web
>>> > > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users demanding
>>> privacy
>>> > > and freedom from the legacy systems. There's already a new type
>>> of
>>> > > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC and
>>> > > vice-versa. So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and also
>>> into the
>>> > > networks. While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on their
>>> > plan to
>>> > > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>. I've been
>>> > involved with
>>> > > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't have
>>> > large masses
>>> > > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything. If
>>> anything
>>> > > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
>>> > pro-regulation
>>> > > camps. And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once the
>>> > coin is
>>> > > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now. And
>>> > anonymous
>>> > plus
>>> > > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here now.
>>> > That's
>>> > > where system-D monies will eventually start to head. Not to a
>>> > permanently
>>> > > public bitcoin blockchain. Also I don't feel that anything
>>> > built
>>> > off or
>>> > > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real life
>>> > or
>>> > death
>>> > > anonymity, but it may make users feel better. So could help
>>> > further the
>>> > > cryptocoin cause. Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's
>>> > going
>>> > to be be
>>> > > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a day
>>> > IMHO. While
>>> > > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may add
>>> > to
>>> > these
>>> > > discussions. Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped raise
>>> > funds also.
>>> > >
>>> > > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
>>> > <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:washington.sanchez@gmail.com
>>> >>
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
>>> > > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
>>> > <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>> > > > wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > >> First I was censored
>>> > > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This is
>>> > the worst
>>> > > >> type of thinking we can encounter.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the government,
>>> > but
>>> > you have
>>> > > >> to be pragmatic"
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but be
>>> > a
>>> > villain,
>>> > > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there needs
>>> > to
>>> be
>>> > > >> regulation"
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
>>> reason.
>>> > > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> - Juan Llanos
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> Me response
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> - Julia Tourianski
>>> > > >>
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>>> > Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
>>> > hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
>>> > 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
>>> > grid.coop <http://grid.coop>
>>> >
>>> > Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
>>> > nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
>>> >
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