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> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>
>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>>
>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The masks
>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but have
>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device for
>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would permit
>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal, such
>> as romantic encounters.
>>
>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask and
>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory to
>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all citizens
>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the right
>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret ballots in
>> modern democracies.
>>
>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass device
>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I meet
>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>> > web connections.
>> >
>> >
>> > That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what will
>> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely legal
>> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact that you
>> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to deal with
>> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market selling
>> > the wine you like,
>> >
>> > etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
>> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
>> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
>> >
>> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to de-anonymize,
>> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade or
>> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do do
>> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to get a
>> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a HUD-like
>> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
>> >
>> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused (even
>> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
>> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything wrong
>> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost electricity
>> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere else.
>> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources to find
>> > the most efficient way to do their business.
>> >
>> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem? I'm on
>> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it violates the
>> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
>> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are rich.
>> >
>> > -J
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
>> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think it's great that paranoid people are working on anonymous
>> deep
>> > web crypto.
>> >
>> > But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing broken
>> > (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of buying
>> > low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings of
>> > industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
>> anon-coin-mining
>> > data centers.
>> >
>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass device
>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I meet
>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>> > web connections.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
>> > > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous deep
>> web
>> > > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users demanding
>> privacy
>> > > and freedom from the legacy systems. There's already a new type
>> of
>> > > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC and
>> > > vice-versa. So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and also
>> into the
>> > > networks. While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on their
>> > plan to
>> > > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>. I've been
>> > involved with
>> > > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't have
>> > large masses
>> > > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything. If
>> anything
>> > > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
>> > pro-regulation
>> > > camps. And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once the
>> > coin is
>> > > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now. And anonymous
>> > plus
>> > > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here now.
>> > That's
>> > > where system-D monies will eventually start to head. Not to a
>> > permanently
>> > > public bitcoin blockchain. Also I don't feel that anything built
>> > off or
>> > > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real life or
>> > death
>> > > anonymity, but it may make users feel better. So could help
>> > further the
>> > > cryptocoin cause. Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's going
>> > to be be
>> > > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a day
>> > IMHO. While
>> > > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may add to
>> > these
>> > > discussions. Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped raise
>> > funds also.
>> > >
>> > > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
>> > <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:washington.sanchez@gmail.com
>> >>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
>> > > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
>> > <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> First I was censored
>> > > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This is
>> > the worst
>> > > >> type of thinking we can encounter.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the government, but
>> > you have
>> > > >> to be pragmatic"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but be a
>> > villain,
>> > > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there needs to
>> be
>> > > >> regulation"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
>> reason.
>> > > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"
>> > > >>
>> > > >> - Juan Llanos
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Me response
>> > > >>
>> > > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327
>> > > >>
>> > > >> - Julia Tourianski
>> > > >>
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>> > Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
>> > hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
>> > 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
>> > grid.coop <http://grid.coop>
>> >
>> > Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
>> > nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
>> >
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