Fair enough. And I completely agree with you btw. It was a simplification
for a point. In REAL life, you always have other options, like leaving the
room.

I want no fighting. If there are two fighters who I cannot persuade to
stop, absent any other factors, I will let them fight. I will not fight to
stop them — that is the opposite of progress, for now there are three
fighters!

This is, I think, in line with what you mean. For example, the US often
uses two fighting factions to justify inserting itself… and becoming a
third fighter. I take issue with this.

I think we agree.

—J

On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???> wrote:

> Sorry if I came through as having a fighting attitude... English is not my
> native language, so my choice of words might not be the most appropriate
> sometimes.
>
> However, I still hold that goading people to fight each other is just
> wrong. It is a concept used by many citizens of imperialist countries to,
> in their minds, morally justify their government's disregard of foreign
> national sovereignty.
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','josh@???');>> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ, man, it's a thought experiment and as such simplified
>> problem with constraints that don't apply to the real world. Why couldn't I
>> leave the room? Etc. It is a bloody thought experiment.
>>
>> Ironic that you seem ready to fight over whose a greater pacifist. Your
>> attitude on this disgusts me. This is the last I'll reply to you on this
>> subject.
>>
>> Please consider whether your use of declaratives is logical, as well as
>> the unconditionals. I hope you will have done so, next time we speak. Which
>> could be soon; I don't hold grudges or remember names often.
>>
>> Peace.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cuco.saa@???');>> wrote:
>>
>>> An even more preferable use of resources would be helping make peace.
>>> Goading others into fighting each other is fucked up, and will blow on your
>>> own face when those people realize what you are doing.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Naturally.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say there are two fighters in a room, plus me. They refuse to
>>>> just crack a beer and relax, but rather insist on fighting.
>>>>
>>>> Although I would be justified to defend myself if pressed, it is a
>>>> preferable use of resources (time and energy) to goad them into
>>>> fighting each other.
>>>>
>>>> That's all I mean.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure that any kind of fighting is a good thing for freedom. To
>>>>> a certain extent, all governments fight other governments and also fight
>>>>> any dissenters amongst their own population. You are right in that Correa's
>>>>> government is no exception, though.
>>>>> So he's the same as all governments. But anytime they're fighting each
>>>>> other instead of the people, that's a good thing for freedom, at least in
>>>>> the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Correa is cool in that his policies contribute in moving away from
>>>>>> the centralization of power of the American Empire. However, he is not cool
>>>>>> in that he has a tendency to centralize all the state powers in himself,
>>>>>> undermining all freedoms and increasing the size of the state.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I feel a lot free-er in Ecuador than I did in the States, though (I
>>>>>> just returned to Ecuador from living in Florida for over 5 years).
>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2014 1:24 PM, "Özer Tayiz" <otayiz@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm living in Quito, Ecuador too. I have mixed feelings about
>>>>>>> Correa. I don't feel good about him creating his own fiat 2.0 currency,
>>>>>>> while banning bitcoin and other digital currencies. And some of his
>>>>>>> political decisions. This may be a reason for me to leave Ecuador.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Metatron YHVH <
>>>>>>> metatrongone@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you really use Assange to validate this man's
>>>>>>>> character/motives?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Nicolás Mendoza <
>>>>>>>> nicolasmendo@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, if it weren't for Correa's BALLS, Julian
>>>>>>>>> Assange would probably be naked, cold and wet in some dark pit in a US
>>>>>>>>> military base awaiting trial. No one else in the world would take the heat
>>>>>>>>> for JA like Correa did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. Good to know.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 08/31/2014 12:04 AM, Marco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > Don't be fooled. Correa is a devil in disguise. I Live in
>>>>>>>>>> Ecuador, have
>>>>>>>>>> > for over 5 years & this guy is Obama # 2. Wolf in sheep's
>>>>>>>>>> clothing.
>>>>>>>>>> > American trained economy from some ivy league school. Sells of
>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>> > jungle here to chinese interests. Shuts down local grassroots
>>>>>>>>>> activism
>>>>>>>>>> > via swat teams. Some years ago he had banned GMO & put it in the
>>>>>>>>>> > constitution, now 2 years later, he is desperately trying to
>>>>>>>>>> reverse
>>>>>>>>>> > course & promote GMOs in the country. Pretends he is against US
>>>>>>>>>> > "imperialism" but it is clear they both answer to the SAME
>>>>>>>>>> MASTERS. It's
>>>>>>>>>> > just a show, like those incredible speeches Obama gave in
>>>>>>>>>> 2006-7. This
>>>>>>>>>> > "electronic currency" is just fiat 2.0, a central bank response
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> > decentralized crypto currency which he has recently BANNED. I
>>>>>>>>>> had to
>>>>>>>>>> > turn off my GPU mining because I don't want to jeopardize my
>>>>>>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>>>>>> > Ecuadorian jails aren't pretty.
>>>>>>>>>> > Look to Putin or Morales if there is to be any hope in a
>>>>>>>>>> politician.
>>>>>>>>>> > Correa is a filthy pig, through & through.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > www.nondescrypt.net <http://www.nondescrypt.net> - Episode 2
>>>>>>>>>> > -Understanding Bitcoin for my take on it.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > :)
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > On 30 August 2014 12:06, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>>>>>>>>> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> http://phys.org/news/2014-08-ecuador-heralds-digital-currency.html
>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >     Guys, I actually think this is pretty interesting. Rafael
>>>>>>>>>> Correa has an
>>>>>>>>>> >     economics background and an interesting personal history:

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Correa#Early_life

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >     He's an advocate of economic sovereignty.

>>>>>>>>>> >

>>>>>>>>>> >     Although I have mixed feelings about this which can be
>>>>>>>>>> interpreted in
>>>>>>>>>> >     multiple ways.

>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >

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