There are people who are align with all sorts of political ideologies
though and some like and hate people and parties that are the same for
various reasons.

There's a lot to hate about them, but some of the policies they've had in
previous manifestos and their 2013 local manifestos are very good. Their
local councillors have among the best approval and attendance ratings, when
compared to their peers.

The Eurozones gone to shit and people in the EU are still thinking they
have some sort of superiority complex, when growth has stagnated and places
like Brazil/India/China are booming economically.

The next year will probably be difficult for them, but it's quite easy for
them to come 3rd in the next general election and destroy the lib dems. If
anything he's really managing to push forward that politics should be by
and for the people, rather than just a two/three party system that is only
interested in itself.

There are areas of the UK that are deeply deprived and while the government
is pushing through draconian slave labour work programmes and declaring
terminally ill people "fit to work", the public still see that there is
open door freedom of movement to the EU, with an extra 212,000 net inflow
into Britain last year, providing cheap labour to big business while most
people struggle further.

To be honest, I'm glad they've got in, as it seems we might now be able to
have some electoral reform, EU reform/withdrawal, without having a rise of
extremist groups like we've seen in Greece.




On 26 May 2014 16:06, Tim Patrick <judoman589@???> wrote:

> Some of my mates in Britain who are libertarians both like and hate UKIP,
> idk, seems like they are libertarian on some issues, and not so much on
> other issues.
>
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???>wrote:
>
>> It's certainly strange to see them win, /r/ukpolitics has been in
>> meltdown the past few weeks over this, as they see them as being evil
>> people with a pseudo libertarian front and that all of the pro-Farage
>> postings there have been solely due to a 4chan invasion.
>>
>> What this really shows is that politics in the UK has changed, parties
>> are going to have to start offering the public a better service for a lower
>> cost, all the lib dem/labour/conservatives have been saying for the past
>> few months is don't vote Ukip because they are "racist", they want to make
>> public sector cuts, they're "homophobic", they want to legalise drugs, they
>> "help" terrorists because they are against surveillance.
>>
>> This is just the biggest increase in competition in the UK political
>> space for nearly 100 years and will force the other parties to start being
>> more legitimate and offer up sensible alternatives to them.
>>
>> Perhaps bigger news in this EU election isn't Ukip, but rather the 25% FN
>> in France and other places across the EU. People have started to see that
>> the EU is a net waste in terms of value for money and that being forced to
>> receive bailouts against the will of the public is bad for them
>> (Greece/Ireland/Portugal/Spain)
>>
>> I think people are starting to see that there's a bigger political fight
>> going on, rather than just left/right liberal/conservative, we're in a
>> period of major authoritarianism from the worlds governments and Ukip seem
>> to many people to be a step away from that.
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/Ipa1SIr.png
>>
>>
>> On 26 May 2014 11:41, Drak <drak@???> wrote:
>>
>>> It is irony. UKIP are against the EU... Maybe the government will take
>>> the hint now about British sentiment towards the EU...
>>> On 26 May 2014 08:29, "jamileh s.t." <xiaziyna@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> is that sarcasm?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26 May 2014 03:28, Jonathan James Harrison <
>>>> jonathanjamesharrison@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> UKIP gets the more votes than any other party (UK) for the european
>>>>> elections.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's the most anti establishment libertarian vote out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yay!
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