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Auteur: Amir Taaki
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Aan: System undo crew
Onderwerp: Re: [unSYSTEM] Foundation funding for Dark Wallet (Was: Don't mix because of taint + comments ...)
Can we get the 42 BTC CoinJoin bounty donated by the community and held by
gmaxwell, sipa and theymos?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0

We made the first CoinJoin and also have made decentralised CoinJoin with
DarkWallet but they haven't paid us anything.

> I've contributed reviews for the Bitcoin Foundation grants process twice
> now, and I intend to continue doing so (as I don't feel any moral
> compulsion against this). I would give any privacy/fungibility project the
> highest points for importance/significance, and would pitch a fit if I
> felt
> it was ignored due to some categorical opposition of financial privacy.
> That said, they've given out low amounts ($20k in total per quarter so
> far)
> and I haven't actually figured out how the nontransparent process works so
> far.
>
> I think DarkWallet (or something related in similar spirit) should submit
> a
> grant proposal (and resubmit it every quarter if necessary!)
>
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Cody R Wilson
> <codywilson@???>wrote:
>
>> To be clear, I've never been invited to Foundation sponsored events. I'd
>> attend and speak, so maybe that's why.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 May 2014, Joerg Platzer wrote:
>>>
>>> > And you do complain about the list of speakers at their conference.
>>> > Yet you would not speak there I guess. Neither would Cody or
>>> > Antonopolous and I have to admit that I have to count myself in
>>> there,
>>> > having turned down their offer to a seat on a panel there for the
>>> same
>>> > reason.
>>>
>>> I would blame Amir only if he'd be ranting while doing nothing for the
>>> community, but he is well active on other fronts. so I'm fine with his
>>> strong opinion and boycotting attitude even if I don't agree with all
>>> of
>>> it. I just don't think is inconsistent. OTOH we could consider the
>>> "sacrifice" of a presence in that place a service to the community if
>>> done to vehicule the original values behind Bitcoin within the
>>> institutionalization process of the foundation.
>>>
>>> > It only occured to me later that if alone the people named (Jaromil
>>> > were you there?)
>>>
>>> Despite living close by I was not invited at all. I have no idea who
>>> are
>>> the local organizers really. I found the program overly boring and
>>> predictable to be honest and due to other work I could be there only a
>>> day before to meet some people off-stage. Had quite some beerz with
>>> Jorge and Sipa the whole evening, was very nice :^)
>>>
>>> I hear from others who where there that wasn't that interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> > would have been on there and shown where Bitcoin is coming from and
>>> > where and why we think the journey should go further, this might not
>>> > have been such a bad idea.
>>>
>>> sure. but well on the wave of my long-term outspoken activity in the
>>> hacker scene I really don't want to become an hyper-famous talking head
>>> of sorts. I think I'm appearing around enough already (and have some
>>> code to write eheh). The best I could do is put some history on paper
>>> with an academic article, I guess that's enough for one.
>>>
>>> In unsystem for instance there are already a lot more people able to
>>> bring that spirit up in view of the audience and remind it to
>>> institutional foundation of sorts. As the multitude aspect of Bitcoin
>>> was a success for the project in its early stages, it is now the best
>>> strategy to honor and represent the multiplicity of voices, avoid
>>> mediatic hegemonization and show the diversity and enthusiasm of the
>>> communities at large.
>>>
>>> Personally I'd like to see more visibility for CIC and similar
>>> initiatives starting all over Europe.
>>>
>>>
>>> > Another fact: there are still a lot of people in the foundation who
>>> > would love to see speakers like us on their conference and who would
>>> > still love to see foundation money being spent on prjects aiming at
>>> > enabling people to take the control over their own business back into
>>> > their own hands instead of controlling them.
>>>
>>> > Maybe we should not let these forces down but strengthen them instead
>>> > (and I was really startled when someone the other day actually said
>>> to
>>> > me "man, you let us down").
>>>
>>> well... another foundation member here is planning to leave it next
>>> year... I think you really need to think this well through. If you guys
>>> leave then please make it in a loud and coordinated way, don't
>>> disappear
>>> without making your point and use that energy to create something else
>>> or to reinforce this very initiative. And consider that as a visible
>>> crack is opening across the community, no more people from this side
>>> will be able to enter in the future, the foundation will just become
>>> more closed and biased.
>>>
>>> at last, about Amir's feelings on Gavin: I think he is right on many
>>> points and I do know that also in the core team there is some common
>>> sense in thinking that there should be a new maintainer now. Maybe that
>>> will change something? Not Sure. But without an attempt to keep the
>>> foundation focused on the ethics of Bitcoin for sure we won't have
>>> someone like Amir in that position next; to the contrary, maybe there
>>> will be somoene worst than Gavin.
>>>
>>> ciao
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Cody R. Wilson
>> codywilson@???
>>
>> The University of Texas School of Law
>> Class of 2014
>>
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>
>
> --
> Andrew Miller
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