Part of it is my attitude. I give my support to events which promote my
values.

This event is for giving recognition (/legitimacy) to a mafia.
I see no reason why Allaire or Gelenbe are at the top.
Scroll down past suits, and finally you find the real contributors:

ThomasV (Electrum), Peter Todd, Alan Reiner, Nicolas, Stefan Thomas,
Johann Gevers, Meni Rosenfeld, Jan Moller (Mycelium), Erik Vorhees, Nejc
Kodric, Gavin Wood and others.

It's a mafia. I disagree with empowering this attitude.
No way should Gelenbe be at the top.

If I felt this had changed or that there was a real effort to earn my
trust then I would participate. But I don't see that. It looks more like
more power grabbing to me.

The banality of fascism is projecting an image either through fear or to
win favour of some powerful group (regulators, bankers). And with that
comes maintaining an image, control of your crew, censoring
(marginalising) anything that is outside that, homogenising, and
hierarchy. And removing perceived threats to an agenda.
I fight for a world of diversity and merit.
Many of these people now in the foundation see themselves as managers of
Bitcoin, shepherding it towards success like some kind of philosopher
kings. Making compromises for the greater good.
Also with an agenda that is corrupted by money and power.

I deal a lot with various groups of people, police, .etc I know the
mindset and where this stuff emerges from. And you sometimes think you
can change the system by participating in it, but the system changes
you... corruption is a very subtle and slow thing, it doesn't happen
overnight. You don't even notice it burning away on your psyche and you
get to the point where it feels justified shooting people for some
greater good.

Even the stuff where I see Gavin saying DW is good .etc then why is he
telling reporters stuff in secret "off the record" to try and discredit
us? For years, he's personally tried to push me out of development, told
people I'm a crappy coder on IRC, done other things, played party
politics .etc Always about control and perceived threats.
Sorry but I see it just as winning the crowds like some politician lying
through their teeth. He's a figurehead placed in power by the foundation
to legitimise their operations with their myth of him representing the
intellectual lineage of Satoshi, and in return he backs their agenda and
actions (through the position he is given).
This is corruption.
We are all corrupted in subtle and different ways.

On 05/22/2014 02:58 PM, Joerg Platzer wrote:
> I see a few small inconsitencies there Amir, please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Fact: a big part of the wealth of the foundation is coming from members who joined and donated two years ago, believing that money would be spent on things that support the spirit of the protocol and of the early community around it. A lot of new money is now being poured in by people who think differently and who want it to be spent on other subjects. I am completely on your side, you only have to look up my own rantings on these topics all over the place last summer.
>
> Now you constantly complain about on what the foundation is spending their money on but at the same time you refuse to even give it a chance to having that money sent in the direction we and the original donors would like to see these funds going. Doesn't make sense to me.
>
> And you do complain about the list of speakers at their conference. Yet you would not speak there I guess. Neither would Cody or Antonopolous and I have to admit that I have to count myself in there, having turned down their offer to a seat on a panel there for the same reason. It only occured to me later that if alone the people named (Jaromil were you there?) would have been on there and shown where Bitcoin is coming from and where and why we think the journey should go further, this might not have been such a bad idea. They could not possibly have refused to give us the opportunity to speak out, alone because that would have finally and completely discredited them in front of the whole community and _then_ would be the time to dismiss and diss them and then your points would look so much more valid than they do now.
>
> Another fact: there are still a lot of people in the foundation who would love to see speakers like us on their conference and who would still love to see foundation money being spent on prjects aiming at enabling people to take the control over their own business back into their own hands instead of controlling them.
>
> Maybe we should not let these forces down but strengthen them instead (and I was really startled when someone the other day actually said to me "man, you let us down").
>
> I am not claiming to know the final truth here and I may be proven wrong in the future but these are my thoughts on this subject right now.
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> ________________________________________
> Von: unSYSTEM [unsystem-bounces@???]" im Auftrag von "Amir Taaki [genjix@???]
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Mai 2014 11:58
> An: unsystem@???
> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Foundation funding for Dark Wallet (Was: Don't mix because of taint + comments ...)
>
> http://bitcoin2014.com/
>
> Allaire, Gavin, Gelenbe, Mike, at the top of the list.
>
> Further down... ThomasV (Electrum), Peter Todd, Alan Reiner, Nicolas,
> Stefan Thomas, Johann Gevers, Meni Rosenfeld, Jan Moller (Mycelium),
> Erik Vorhees, Nejc Kodric, Gavin Wood and others.
>
> I want nothing to do with this.
> You will always be playing their game.
> I choose not to empower organisations that work against my interest
> through withdrawing my participation.
>
> I also don't vote, or apply for European grants.
> You might form a party, get some seats in parliament but in the end you
> will be chasing a dangling carrot.
>
> If I thought it was a fair game then OK, I would participate. But I'm
> not here to play politician and wrestle political control of a central
> party. I'm writing code and forging my own path without barriers,
> assisting my friends around me. I would never be where I am if I tried
> to play by their rules.
>
> The system is rigged against us. Guys in shirts and noose go to grovel
> in Washington for special favours and take stolen money from friends in
> Wall Street. They like to call themselves businessmen, but they aren't
> businessmen at all. The real businessmen are those competing &
> collaborating in free and open markets.
>
> The markets are managed. Money is inflated and the bureaucrats + banks
> decide where that resource is allocated "for the good of the economy".
> So naturally the system is rigged against us to favour the current order.
>
> Ofc when you have an org that thinks you are crazy anarchist for holding
> that view then you will be pushed down and out, especially when they're
> trying to present a certain front of image to the masses and their
> banker buddies.
>
> What we do have competition in the market. We can win the hearts and
> support of the people, and cut out the middle men entirely.
> I'm not going to waste time.
>
> Read more:
> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/25yhtn/my_worry_with_bitcoin_as_a_network_engineer/chm4qsw
>
> When DW was first announced, Gavin was jumping going "well done guys!!!
> wowow so amazing!" meanwhile telling journalists in secret we have no
> credibility (off the record) and that a much better story is some
> venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin.
>
> Erm, tell me again? Why should I put my trust in an org controlled and
> run by such people?
>
> On 05/22/2014 10:03 AM, Luke Dashjr wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 22, 2014 12:14:09 AM Joerg Platzer wrote:
>>> What if a group of dark-wallet / dark-market enthusiasts (of which I am
>>> one) forms a group inside the foundation and demands funding for precisely
>>> these projects without compromising on any of the functionality? This
>>> might get more support than you believe.
>>
>> I think applying for Foundation grant requests is an excellent idea.
>> I hope it wouldn't require making any demands or "infiltration", though!
>> Why not start off just applying and see how that goes first? If they fail to
>> approve the grants without giving some reasonable explanation, that's the time
>> to start making demands...
>>
>> Luke
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