having reading the parameters for ratings sent and received at
http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php
and other talks, it is perhaps missing the primary IMHO option for:
(x)Let x difamating-rate me up to (1-10)
*******
and with its custom defaults such as:
"i let everyone difamating me" (this is the normal happening around)
*******
we could add more specifity to it:
(x)For: (100) days, ()Publicly, ()Ever
(x)Compensable, (x)fully, (x)with:
(x)Warn me with: (10) days in advance
And:
(x)Get my: x resource
(x)Get his: x resource (you need permission for doing so..)
()x being difamated too
...
(x)Request reciprocity
Expires in: (10) days
Cast a custom curse:
******
note:
the tracker trust history would be more interesting with these kind of
parameters.. and some aggregator of reputators too, btw:
http://www.shareable.net/blog/aggregation-not-algorithms-is-the-key-to-establishing-trust-online
i have thought in generally protocolarized compensation or clearances of
bad ratings, but it is too much for now. i hope we all find 'the'
solution, the numbers given by ratings agencies generally have more
value than the bank accounts ones
El 2014-05-20 08:30, Washington Sanchez escribió:
> Proof of burn identities will be graduated (and optional)
>
> * Gradient proof of burn identities (PoB-IDs)
>
> * The purpose of a PoB is to:
>
> * Associate a cost with creating an ID that people are willing to
> trade with, in order to create a financial disincentive for Sybil
> attacks
> * Signal the level of risk associated with an individual trade
>
> * On point #2, if you are trading goods not valued higher than say
> $100, purchasing a PoB identity of $10 signals lower risk than trading
> with an identity purchased with $0.2.
> * It is reasonable to assume that poor people will not be trading
> multi-million dollar yachts on OpenBazaar and would not need to
> purchase (or ascribe) a high valued PoB identity.
> * So poor people can purchase a relatively low cost identity if they
> wish
> * Please note, this is not the only way counter party risk will be
> signaled, it will be one of many factors to consider
>
> * Proof of burn identities are optional (at this stage of discussion
> by the devs)
>
> * If you choose not to purchase a PoB identity, then you will need to
> develop your reputation through the bitcoin-otc style web of trust
> that will be used to manage reputations and ratings (some discussion
> ongoing about integrating a PoW/PoB with making a rating)
> * Without a PoB-ID, it will take longer to establish a good
> reputation that people will be willing to trade with... but
> essentially if they see than the identity has no PoB value ascribed to
> it, but has a high trust rating across a broad network other
> well-regarded identities, your trade risk may be regarded as
> equivalent to a PoB-ID (maybe even better)
> * Also, without a PoB-ID, the trade you make with a buyer/seller may
> have more contractual safeguards in place (i.e. surety bonds, closely
> monitored trade by an arbiter, other stuff we or the market hasn't
> thought of yet)
> * Even if people can create hundreds of identities for free, without
> a good web of trust reputation and a PoB-ID, it is unlikely that
> people will trade goods above a certain value.
>
> If you have some good suggestions, hop onto the discussion
> here: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/issues/9 [1]
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Anthony D'Onofrio
> <iamtexture@???> wrote:
>
>> How does proof of burn not favor those with lots of economic
>> capital?
>> Rich people get lots of identities, poor people get one?
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Washington Sanchez
>> <washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>>
>> Essentially what is being discussed
>> at https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/issues/9 [1] is
>> combining a proof of burn identity combined with a bitcoin-OTC style
>> web of trust. Really great conversation happening there by the way.
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Miller <amiller@???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its easy to tarnish someone's reputation by posting publicly about
>> them, even if its false. Its hard for anyone to tell whether the
>> aggreivances are legitimate. For example someone popular can harm
>> someone, that person can post about it, and everyone will side with
>> the popular person. Also there is no real incentive to post accurate
>> reputation information, at best doing so is an altruistic thing.
>>
>> I think there are solutions to this but it is a bit complicated.
>> Essentially a reputation should always involve something "at stake".
>> The closest thing to what I have in mind is a system called
>> TrustDavis, and it is essentially peer to peer insurance.
>>
>> On May 19, 2014 4:12 PM, "Sidney Zhang" <sidazhang89@???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 'I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.'
>>
>> Can you elaborate a bit more? Is the reputation kept on chain?
>>
>> 'I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without
>> costing the
>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).'
>>
>> If someone does something bad, can't we just have everyone start
>> ignoring their fidelity bond? Forcing them to repay another bond
>> under a different identity?
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
>> wrote:
>> I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.
>>
>> I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without
>> costing the
>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).
>>
>> On 05/20/2014 12:56 AM, Sidney Zhang wrote:
>>> It means that it is extremely expensive to mine identity. So a
>> better
>>> reputation system can now be built as well.
>>>
>>> Are there any good examples of implementations?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>
>>> <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Doesn't make them trustworthy. It shows they value that
>> identity and
>>> would be hesitant to do anything to ruin it thereby
>> rendering their
>>> financial sacrifice meaningless
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 19 May 2014, at 20:19, "Anthony D'Onofrio"
>> <iamtexture@???
>>
>>> <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does lighting money on fire make someone trustworthy?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Peter Todd
>> <pete@???
>>
>>>> <mailto:pete@petertodd.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 May 2014 16:39:06 CEST, Robert Williamson
>>
>>> <bobalot@??? <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Doesn't op return outputs need to have a value of 0?
>>>
>>> No, they can be any value.
>>>
>>>> There's other concerns too. If we count someone as
>>> trustworthy because
>>>> they
>>>> have sacrificed some amount of money to fees, its easy for
>>> mining pools
>>>> to
>>>> start creating identities where a lot of fees are sacrificed to
>>>> themselves.
>>>
>>> That's what I mean by fee sacrifices encouraging mining pool
>>> centralisation. Right now I think that should rule out
>>> sacrifice to fees completely.
>>>
>>>>
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