How does proof of burn not favor those with lots of economic capital?
Rich people get lots of identities, poor people get one?
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Washington Sanchez <
washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
> Essentially what is being discussed at
> https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/issues/9 is combining a proof of
> burn identity combined with a bitcoin-OTC style web of trust. Really great
> conversation happening there by the way.
>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Miller <amiller@???> wrote:
>
>> Its easy to tarnish someone's reputation by posting publicly about them,
>> even if its false. Its hard for anyone to tell whether the aggreivances are
>> legitimate. For example someone popular can harm someone, that person can
>> post about it, and everyone will side with the popular person. Also there
>> is no real incentive to post accurate reputation information, at best doing
>> so is an altruistic thing.
>>
>> I think there are solutions to this but it is a bit complicated.
>> Essentially a reputation should always involve something "at stake". The
>> closest thing to what I have in mind is a system called TrustDavis, and it
>> is essentially peer to peer insurance.
>> On May 19, 2014 4:12 PM, "Sidney Zhang" <sidazhang89@???> wrote:
>>
>>> 'I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.'
>>>
>>> Can you elaborate a bit more? Is the reputation kept on chain?
>>>
>>> 'I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without costing the
>>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).'
>>>
>>> If someone does something bad, can't we just have everyone start
>>> ignoring their fidelity bond? Forcing them to repay another bond under a
>>> different identity?
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without costing the
>>>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).
>>>>
>>>> On 05/20/2014 12:56 AM, Sidney Zhang wrote:
>>>> > It means that it is extremely expensive to mine identity. So a better
>>>> > reputation system can now be built as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > Are there any good examples of implementations?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>> > <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Doesn't make them trustworthy. It shows they value that identity
>>>> and
>>>> > would be hesitant to do anything to ruin it thereby rendering
>>>> their
>>>> > financial sacrifice meaningless
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>> >
>>>> > On 19 May 2014, at 20:19, "Anthony D'Onofrio" <
>>>> iamtexture@???
>>>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> How does lighting money on fire make someone trustworthy?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Peter Todd <pete@???
>>>> >> <mailto:pete@petertodd.org>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 19 May 2014 16:39:06 CEST, Robert Williamson
>>>> > <bobalot@??? <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >>Doesn't op return outputs need to have a value of 0?
>>>> >
>>>> > No, they can be any value.
>>>> >
>>>> >>There's other concerns too. If we count someone as
>>>> > trustworthy because
>>>> >>they
>>>> >>have sacrificed some amount of money to fees, its easy for
>>>> > mining pools
>>>> >>to
>>>> >>start creating identities where a lot of fees are sacrificed to
>>>> >>themselves.
>>>> >
>>>> > That's what I mean by fee sacrifices encouraging mining pool
>>>> > centralisation. Right now I think that should rule out
>>>> > sacrifice to fees completely.
>>>> >
>>>> >>
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