Auteur: Mike Gogulski Date: À: System undo crew, Amir Taaki Sujet: Re: [unSYSTEM] oh fuck it's really happening... bitcoin is under
attack
Oops I just set luke-r on fire.
On 04/26/2014 08:11 PM, Luke-Jr wrote: > Amir, I think you contribute much to bitcoin, and I value that. But Bitcoin is
> *not* libertarianism. Bitcoin is *not* anarchism. Bitcoin is *not*
> "volunteerism". Bitcoin is *not* a movement for financial freedom - or any
> political movement at all. Bitcoin is a technology, which can and should be
> embraced by people of any political affiliation. Adoption by people with views
> contrary to your own is not an attack on Bitcoin, it is growth.
>
> On Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:33:48 PM Amir Taaki wrote:
>> I get what you're doing, but we both know that really isn't the case.
>> Allaire speaks from his heart, and they hired Mike Hearn.
>> I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth as that's not how these
>> proprietary cultures work.
>> Check this quote by him:
>>
>> "A lot of the safeguards that businesses and consumers take for granted
>> in their everyday interactions and payments don’t exist in bitcoin [...]"
>>
>> or
>>
>> "if your goal is to ensure widespread adoption of bitcoin, there needs
>> to be rules around its use, he says, arguing that it’s not good enough
>> to imagine bitcoin can exist above society."
>>
>> This doesn't sound like descriptions of systems that empower users to
>> self-regulate. This is the exact speech used behind many surveillance
>> and censorship tools to push them on us. Things like "anti-fraud"
>> blacklists or researching correlation techniques on consumer activity.
>>
>> If this tech is developed it will be deployed or pushed upon places like
>> Coinbase. Coinbase is the only business (or US?) in the valley with a
>> banking relationship which they have due to a special relationship with
>> JP Morgan and one of their bankers on their board.
>> And that's where these products that work against their users will come
>> into play. Maybe the industry doesn't have enough balls, and big Bitcoin
>> businesses with a large following (CoinBase, BitPay, ... whoever) start
>> "self-regulating" by spying, tracking and censoring their users.
>>
>> On 26/04/14 06:31, Peter Todd wrote:
>>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:37:11AM +0100, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>>> reducing the risk is newspeak for censorship
>>>>
>>>> protection against fraud is codeword for surveillance.
>>> Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.
>>>
>>> I hope Circle is just implementing all the decentralized technologies
>>> we've been talking about for ages that let people chose on their own
>>> terms how to reduce the risks involved in their transactions; best case
>>> is all this talk about moving Bitcoin away from its libertarian roots is
>>> just PR material. After all, Dark Market is an example of that approach,
>>> yet could also be marketted as "bringing Bitcoin into the mainstream
>>> with anti-fraud, lower costs, greater privacy safeguard, and protection
>>> against identity theft".
>>>
>>> I'm not very hopeful that's the case, but lets hold off on the torches
>>> and tar until they publish hard details on what exactly they are doing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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