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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 10:56 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>wrote:
> And yet we haven't swallowed it. The horde and I go on happily adhering to
> those outmoded sex norms.
>
> And the norms really do come down to sex, for which gender is no synonym.
> Might I offer that the intentional effort to neutralize sex differences in
> our community engagements comes from a sublimated moral delusion?
> On Jan 29, 2014 10:40 PM, "Aimee Maree" <aimee@???> wrote:
>
>> not everyone has eyes in their head some use their ears as their eyes do
>> not work... Some are born with no gender or both genders... It is the most
>> limiting concept in society... that's a red pill we should all
>> acknowledge humans made gender to nature there is no separation...
>>
>> anyways and anywho ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 3:23 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>>
>> Just stopped by for team red pill. There is more wisdom in your body than
>> in your deepest philosophy.
>>
>> The sexual market has laws we acknowledge with our eyes and minds despite
>> our most furious protests otherwise.
>> On Jan 29, 2014 10:08 PM, "Elizabeth Ploshay" <
>> elizabeth@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, great point there. Agreed!
>>>
>>> *Elizabeth T. Ploshay*
>>> elizabeth@???
>>> Manager of Communications
>>> Bitcoin Magazine
>>> elizabethtploshay.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just think that was the point he was trying to make.
>>>>
>>>> -Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Patrick Murck <
>>>> patrick@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is just my personal take on the "booth babe" thing. If you want
>>>>> to trot out booth babes all you have accomplished is signaling to me that:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) You don't believe in your product/service/value proposition
>>>>> 2) You have poor taste and judgment
>>>>> 3) And I won't be stopping by your booth for a sales pitch
>>>>>
>>>>> But hey, knock yourself out.
>>>>>
>>>>> --PM
>>>>>
>>>>> On January 29, 2014 at 10:42:12 PM, Jonathan James Harrison (
>>>>> jonathanjamesharrison@??? <//jonathanjamesharrison@???>)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What about toilet cleaners at exhibitions they are objectified as
>>>>> sanitation machines.
>>>>> Booth babes know they are being objectified and get paid well to be
>>>>> objectified.
>>>>> Many men like to look at sexually attractive women which is very
>>>>> natural.
>>>>> Booth babes can be great for promotions.
>>>>> Nice thing about bitcoin is you can set up a company anonymously and
>>>>> if you do that as women you know that there will be absolutely no
>>>>> discrimination against you.
>>>>> Satoshi maybe a black Serbian lesbian for all we know.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 30 January 2014, Aimee Maree <aimee@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> When performing surveys it is one of the number 1 reasons women
>>>>>> don't attend tech conferences... So diversity is affected
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So booth babes are not about allowing women to be women it's about
>>>>>> objectification which is wrong for men women and children oh and by the way
>>>>>> those who are born with multi genders or a-sexual and animals etc we need
>>>>>> to allow people to be themselves but we also need to allow minorities to
>>>>>> feel comfortable if we are ever to change the rule of White Anglo men...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So if you want sex you go to a sex shop that's all cool I'm fine with
>>>>>> that I would like to see unions set up for prostitues personally however if
>>>>>> I attend a tech conference I'm there for other reasons just like when I go
>>>>>> to an underground party or when I attend a trans gender meet-up etc etc see
>>>>>> my point here is horses for courses in regards to the booth babes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway these are just some points no way are they saying change your
>>>>>> mind but just hey this is what the people who attend your conferences say
>>>>>> and I personally would never attend a conference with a booth babe I have
>>>>>> had enough problems being a technical women in IT let alone to be in a room
>>>>>> where my gender is subjectified. So you can have your booth babes but a
>>>>>> high number of women won't be at your conferences and you will sending a
>>>>>> message to young girls sorry in IT your still seen as a joke!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyways just some thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 1:38 pm, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That being said, there is a point to be made. I think "booth
>>>>>> babes" are rather harmless. That kind of superficial lust can snowball
>>>>>> into worse things like prostitution, sexual slaver, child marriages, etc...
>>>>>> It's like the symptom of a deeper sickness. However, when you start down
>>>>>> that path of dictating how a person should live, or act, or dress, or what
>>>>>> kind of personality they should have, it becomes a slippery slope. It
>>>>>> becomes a new disease. The whole reason we are all anti-establishment in
>>>>>> the first place. If you infringe on another's right to be free and express
>>>>>> themselves in any way that makes them happy, you become the oppressor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I do agree with both sides of the argument. I abhor the
>>>>>> objectification of human beings, and the superficial, and the
>>>>>> materialistic, but I also believe free-will is the most fundamental human
>>>>>> right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Anthony D'Onofrio <
>>>>>> iamtexture@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, obviously what I wrote was equivalent to calling Amir a whore
>>>>>> and getting
>>>>>> a group of people to ignorantly nod their heads in agreement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on the overwhelming ridiculous response by everyone here today
>>>>>> - this
>>>>>> group is obviously not what I thought it was. Good luck with your
>>>>>> lynchings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And condemning someone for their opinions is just as judgmental and
>>>>>> hypocritical.
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014 7:50 PM, "Anthony D'Onofrio" <iamtexture@???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call
>>>>>> culture a
>>>>>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>>>>>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>>>>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not
>>>>>> prepared to meet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all
>>>>>> human
>>>>>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual
>>>>>> circumstances
>>>>>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not
>>>>>> fit into
>>>>>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women
>>>>>> to back
>>>>>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it
>>>>>> may
>>>>>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are
>>>>>> beautiful women
>>>>>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where
>>>>>> they are
>>>>>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can
>>>>>> hardly
>>>>>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions
>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or
>>>>>> physical.
>>>>>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be
>>>>>> prepared to
>>>>>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't
>>>>>> really a great
>>>>>> argument.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>>>>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my
>>>>>> worthlessness? No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born
>>>>>> intelligent, some
>>>>>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are
>>>>>> beautiful and
>>>>>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice.
>>>>>> Can we in good
>>>>>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome
>>>>>> yourself,
>>>>>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your
>>>>>> intelligence to find
>>>>>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may
>>>>>> move only with
>>>>>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance
>>>>>> do these
>>>>>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>>>>>> responsibility. You may see t
>>>>>>
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