And yet we haven't swallowed it. The horde and I go on happily adhering to
those outmoded sex norms.

And the norms really do come down to sex, for which gender is no synonym.
Might I offer that the intentional effort to neutralize sex differences in
our community engagements comes from a sublimated moral delusion?
On Jan 29, 2014 10:40 PM, "Aimee Maree" <aimee@???> wrote:

> not everyone has eyes in their head some use their ears as their eyes do
> not work... Some are born with no gender or both genders... It is the most
> limiting concept in society... that's a red pill we should all
> acknowledge humans made gender to nature there is no separation...
>
> anyways and anywho ;)
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 3:23 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>
> Just stopped by for team red pill. There is more wisdom in your body than
> in your deepest philosophy.
>
> The sexual market has laws we acknowledge with our eyes and minds despite
> our most furious protests otherwise.
> On Jan 29, 2014 10:08 PM, "Elizabeth Ploshay" <
> elizabeth@???> wrote:
>
>> Patrick, great point there. Agreed!
>>
>> *Elizabeth T. Ploshay*
>> elizabeth@???
>> Manager of Communications
>> Bitcoin Magazine
>> elizabethtploshay.com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>>
>>> I just think that was the point he was trying to make.
>>>
>>> -Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Patrick Murck <
>>> patrick@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is just my personal take on the "booth babe" thing. If you want to
>>>> trot out booth babes all you have accomplished is signaling to me that:
>>>>
>>>> 1) You don't believe in your product/service/value proposition
>>>> 2) You have poor taste and judgment
>>>> 3) And I won't be stopping by your booth for a sales pitch
>>>>
>>>> But hey, knock yourself out.
>>>>
>>>> --PM
>>>>
>>>> On January 29, 2014 at 10:42:12 PM, Jonathan James Harrison (
>>>> jonathanjamesharrison@??? <//jonathanjamesharrison@???>)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What about toilet cleaners at exhibitions they are objectified as
>>>> sanitation machines.
>>>> Booth babes know they are being objectified and get paid well to be
>>>> objectified.
>>>> Many men like to look at sexually attractive women which is very
>>>> natural.
>>>> Booth babes can be great for promotions.
>>>> Nice thing about bitcoin is you can set up a company anonymously and if
>>>> you do that as women you know that there will be absolutely no
>>>> discrimination against you.
>>>> Satoshi maybe a black Serbian lesbian for all we know.
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 30 January 2014, Aimee Maree <aimee@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> When performing surveys it is one of the number 1 reasons women
>>>>> don't attend tech conferences... So diversity is affected
>>>>>
>>>>> So booth babes are not about allowing women to be women it's about
>>>>> objectification which is wrong for men women and children oh and by the way
>>>>> those who are born with multi genders or a-sexual and animals etc we need
>>>>> to allow people to be themselves but we also need to allow minorities to
>>>>> feel comfortable if we are ever to change the rule of White Anglo men...
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you want sex you go to a sex shop that's all cool I'm fine with
>>>>> that I would like to see unions set up for prostitues personally however if
>>>>> I attend a tech conference I'm there for other reasons just like when I go
>>>>> to an underground party or when I attend a trans gender meet-up etc etc see
>>>>> my point here is horses for courses in regards to the booth babes
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway these are just some points no way are they saying change your
>>>>> mind but just hey this is what the people who attend your conferences say
>>>>> and I personally would never attend a conference with a booth babe I have
>>>>> had enough problems being a technical women in IT let alone to be in a room
>>>>> where my gender is subjectified. So you can have your booth babes but a
>>>>> high number of women won't be at your conferences and you will sending a
>>>>> message to young girls sorry in IT your still seen as a joke!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyways just some thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 1:38 pm, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That being said, there is a point to be made. I think "booth babes"
>>>>> are rather harmless. That kind of superficial lust can snowball into worse
>>>>> things like prostitution, sexual slaver, child marriages, etc... It's like
>>>>> the symptom of a deeper sickness. However, when you start down that path
>>>>> of dictating how a person should live, or act, or dress, or what kind of
>>>>> personality they should have, it becomes a slippery slope. It becomes a
>>>>> new disease. The whole reason we are all anti-establishment in the first
>>>>> place. If you infringe on another's right to be free and express
>>>>> themselves in any way that makes them happy, you become the oppressor.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I do agree with both sides of the argument. I abhor the
>>>>> objectification of human beings, and the superficial, and the
>>>>> materialistic, but I also believe free-will is the most fundamental human
>>>>> right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Anthony D'Onofrio <
>>>>> iamtexture@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, obviously what I wrote was equivalent to calling Amir a whore and
>>>>> getting
>>>>> a group of people to ignorantly nod their heads in agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway...
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on the overwhelming ridiculous response by everyone here today -
>>>>> this
>>>>> group is obviously not what I thought it was. Good luck with your
>>>>> lynchings.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> And condemning someone for their opinions is just as judgmental and
>>>>> hypocritical.
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2014 7:50 PM, "Anthony D'Onofrio" <iamtexture@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call
>>>>> culture a
>>>>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>>>>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>>>>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared
>>>>> to meet.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all
>>>>> human
>>>>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual
>>>>> circumstances
>>>>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not
>>>>> fit into
>>>>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women
>>>>> to back
>>>>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it
>>>>> may
>>>>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are
>>>>> beautiful women
>>>>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where
>>>>> they are
>>>>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can
>>>>> hardly
>>>>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>>>>
>>>>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions
>>>>> that we
>>>>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or
>>>>> physical.
>>>>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be
>>>>> prepared to
>>>>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really
>>>>> a great
>>>>> argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>>>>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness?
>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born
>>>>> intelligent, some
>>>>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are
>>>>> beautiful and
>>>>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can
>>>>> we in good
>>>>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on
>>>>> other
>>>>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you
>>>>> have
>>>>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome
>>>>> yourself,
>>>>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your
>>>>> intelligence to find
>>>>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move
>>>>> only with
>>>>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance
>>>>> do these
>>>>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>>>>> responsibility. You may see t
>>>>>

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