I just think that was the point he was trying to make.

-Robert


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Patrick Murck <
patrick@???> wrote:

> This is just my personal take on the "booth babe" thing. If you want to
> trot out booth babes all you have accomplished is signaling to me that:
>
> 1) You don't believe in your product/service/value proposition
> 2) You have poor taste and judgment
> 3) And I won't be stopping by your booth for a sales pitch
>
> But hey, knock yourself out.
>
> --PM
>
> On January 29, 2014 at 10:42:12 PM, Jonathan James Harrison (
> jonathanjamesharrison@??? <//jonathanjamesharrison@???>)
> wrote:
>
> What about toilet cleaners at exhibitions they are objectified as
> sanitation machines.
> Booth babes know they are being objectified and get paid well to be
> objectified.
> Many men like to look at sexually attractive women which is very natural.
> Booth babes can be great for promotions.
> Nice thing about bitcoin is you can set up a company anonymously and if
> you do that as women you know that there will be absolutely no
> discrimination against you.
> Satoshi maybe a black Serbian lesbian for all we know.
>
> On Thursday, 30 January 2014, Aimee Maree <aimee@???> wrote:
>
>> When performing surveys it is one of the number 1 reasons women don't
>> attend tech conferences... So diversity is affected
>>
>> So booth babes are not about allowing women to be women it's about
>> objectification which is wrong for men women and children oh and by the way
>> those who are born with multi genders or a-sexual and animals etc we need
>> to allow people to be themselves but we also need to allow minorities to
>> feel comfortable if we are ever to change the rule of White Anglo men...
>>
>> So if you want sex you go to a sex shop that's all cool I'm fine with
>> that I would like to see unions set up for prostitues personally however if
>> I attend a tech conference I'm there for other reasons just like when I go
>> to an underground party or when I attend a trans gender meet-up etc etc see
>> my point here is horses for courses in regards to the booth babes
>>
>> Anyway these are just some points no way are they saying change your mind
>> but just hey this is what the people who attend your conferences say and I
>> personally would never attend a conference with a booth babe I have had
>> enough problems being a technical women in IT let alone to be in a room
>> where my gender is subjectified. So you can have your booth babes but a
>> high number of women won't be at your conferences and you will sending a
>> message to young girls sorry in IT your still seen as a joke!
>>
>>
>> Anyways just some thoughts?
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 1:38 pm, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>>
>> That being said, there is a point to be made. I think "booth babes"
>> are rather harmless. That kind of superficial lust can snowball into worse
>> things like prostitution, sexual slaver, child marriages, etc... It's like
>> the symptom of a deeper sickness. However, when you start down that path
>> of dictating how a person should live, or act, or dress, or what kind of
>> personality they should have, it becomes a slippery slope. It becomes a
>> new disease. The whole reason we are all anti-establishment in the first
>> place. If you infringe on another's right to be free and express
>> themselves in any way that makes them happy, you become the oppressor.
>>
>> So I do agree with both sides of the argument. I abhor the
>> objectification of human beings, and the superficial, and the
>> materialistic, but I also believe free-will is the most fundamental human
>> right.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???>wrote:
>>
>> Yes, obviously what I wrote was equivalent to calling Amir a whore and
>> getting
>> a group of people to ignorantly nod their heads in agreement.
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> Based on the overwhelming ridiculous response by everyone here today -
>> this
>> group is obviously not what I thought it was. Good luck with your
>> lynchings.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>>
>> And condemning someone for their opinions is just as judgmental and
>> hypocritical.
>> On Jan 29, 2014 7:50 PM, "Anthony D'Onofrio" <iamtexture@???>
>> wrote:
>>
>> You didn't attack "culture". You attacked people. You didn't call culture
>> a
>> whore, you called actual people whores. People you don't know and who
>> you have generalized about. You are spoken about as a genius and a
>> visionary. Forgive me if I hold you to a standard you are not prepared to
>> meet.
>>
>> If you hate your own nature then feel free to hate it. But we are all
>> human
>> and subject to the follies that come with that. Our individual
>> circumstances
>> are rolls of the dice. Calling someone a whore because she does not fit
>> into
>> the cultural stereotype you wish to prevail seems unnecessary.
>>
>> So what if you can get a few people to agree with you or a few women to
>> back
>> you because they feel the same way? A mob may be right insomuch as it may
>> destroy all opposition, but that does not imply actual truth. Are
>> beautiful women
>> who aren't really very intelligent and end up in a circumstance where
>> they are
>> compelled to be a "booth babe" really to be hated so deeply? They can
>> hardly
>> be one of the primary threats to global peace and human unity.
>>
>> To me it seems apparent that the real enemy is fear and the actions that
>> we
>> commit out of fear - murder, violence, war, and lynching - verbal or
>> physical.
>> If we're going to claim some moral superiority then we should be prepared
>> to
>> live up to it. "I'm smart and you're dumb, so fuck you!" isn't really a
>> great
>> argument.
>>
>> If I am born smart does that make me virtuous? No.
>> If I am born with less intelligence does that ensure my worthlessness? No.
>>
>> Some people are born beautiful, some aren't. Some are born intelligent,
>> some
>> aren't. Some are neither beautiful nor intelligent, and some are
>> beautiful and
>> intelligent. What does it matter? These are all rolls of the dice. Can we
>> in good
>> conscience hate based on race or gender? I think not. So why based on
>> other
>> arbitrary metrics do we consider it okay? Do you really feel like you have
>> liberated yourself from the chains of your history? Have you overcome
>> yourself,
>> your relationship to your family, your ethnicity, and your intelligence
>> to find
>> yourself resting in a place of peace and lucidity so that you may move
>> only with
>> conscious volition? It seems the answer to that question is obvious.
>>
>> If you can't - with all your brains and superiority. Then what chance do
>> these
>> people you look down upon have? With genius comes power and with power
>> responsibility. You may see t
>>

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