extreme. its far more important that the cypherpunks have strong wires
between themselves. people should really be funding is those ideals, the
> Jason and Vitalik,
>
> Great points there. I definitely appreciate this project and there is much
> the Foundation must learn.
>
> I look forward to working with Vitalik to do a BM article.
>
> Additionally, keep up the good work on the foundation forum. IMO the goal
> should be to continue to spread the truth before burning bridges.
>
> -Elizabeth
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Vitalik Buterin <vbuterin@???> wrote:
>
> Thank you Jason, very solid argument. I'm not in favor of burning bridges
> myself; there are many great people in the foundation (eg. Elizabeth for
> one, and even Jon Matonis has publicly written articles praising System D
> on numerous occasions), and we should work with them to make the foundation
> better. I looked at the Dark Wallet thread inside the foundation forums,
> and many people are excited about it. There is absolutely no reason why we
> need to reject potential friends.
>
> I will consider writing an article myself over the next few days or weeks,
> unless someone else wishes to take this responsibility.
>
> On 11/01/2013 10:37 AM, Jason King wrote:
> > To The Crew,
> >
> > I don't get near enough time to add to the conversation here. That's too
> bad, I am so in awe of the work that is being done here and would love to
> contribute more.
> > I first want to congratulate everyone on the indiegogo campaign. The
> initial showing for the fundraiser is quite impressive. I have no doubt you
> will exceed your financial goals on this. I donated.
> >
> > But I can't help but feel you are sacrificing a much larger community
> impact by not having a more plain words description of the benefits of dark
> wallet. The video is beautiful, well constructed, and moving. It does
> exactly what it was intended to do. I was moved, I agree with it's
> message...I am also /already on this mailing list. /
> > /
> > /
> > The indiegogo campaign has 133 contributors, that is not a battalion,
> much less an army. And my feeling is that if the contributor list was
> public I would already be familiar with most of the names on the list.
> People that are already, publicly, aligned with the goals stated by this
> campaign. Dark Wallet and the other ideals championed by this group are
> important and necessary to EVERYBODY. Even the people that don't know it
> yet. And the marketing campaign, in it's current form, is not digestible to
> a large part of the community.
> >
> > Maybe that's the plan. Maybe you are trying to weed out certain classes.
> But that, seems at odds with the ideals expressed here.
> >
> > I'm not saying to stop what you are doing, at all. I'm saying I think
> there is a great force multiplier to be had by having an additional,
> stripped down version of the message that focuses on just the technical
> benefits of the platform as it is being proposed. The benefits are obvious.
> They do not need political overtone, fear, or anarchist galvanization to
> stand on their own merits.
> >
> > Why wouldn't you want trustless mixing?
> >
> > Why wouldn't you want to have alternative full wallet implementations
> free of qt and bitcoind?
> >
> > Why wouldn't you want a more distributed group of developers working on
> Bitcoin?
> >
> > Isn't the whole point of Bitcoin to do away with single point of failure?
> >
> > These ideas are powerful, very powerful. The work you are doing IS THE
> REVOLUTION. The revolution does not need a trumpeter next to it saying, YO
> DAWG THIS IS THE REVOLUTION.
> >
> > I propose, sometime in the next few weeks, before the campaign ends, you
> run a piece entitled "Shedding Light on Dark Wallet" that just explains all
> the benefits that Dark Wallet can offer, in very plain terms. Just a clean,
> well put together, article or video that explains the offering you are
> building. Completely free of any other ancillary benefit or protection this
> technology may offer. I think you will be shocked at how well something
> like that will be received.
> >
> > When you have been breathing smog, oxygen needs no hype man.
> >
> > And you say you need work, not ideas. If you guys are interested in
> putting something like that together, I would be privileged to help create
> it and promote it. And I think it will probably shake a few more talented
> workers out of the woodwork.
> >
> > At the end of the day, do we want...
> >
> > To say fuck the US? Or to build the tools that will protect everyone
> from their grasp?
> >
> > To say fuck the Bitcoin Foundation? Or use them as a speed bump to dance
> with regulators, while we build the infrastructure that makes the
> regulators and the foundation irrelevant?
> >
> > To say this world is fucked? Or do the work that makes it better.
> >
> >
> > I realize I juxtaposed "you" and "we" a lot here. That's because I
> recognize that I have really done nothing to push this forward so far,
> "you" have. But I feel so close to the ideal here, it's hard to not see
> myself in it. I hope you guys will forgive me grammar indiscretions. I am
> in awe of you all.
> >
> > Thank you so much for what you do.
> >
> > Jason King
> > Sean's Outpost
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Tristan Winters <
> tristan_winters@??? <mailto:tristan_winters@hotmail.com><tristan_winters@???>>
> wrote:
> >
> > They are referring to this:
> http://www.forbes.com/fdc/welcome_mjx.shtml
> >
> > The foundation did not get 9 million dollars.
> > But as soon as the above company got VC backed, they became a “Gold
> Member” of the foundation.
> > And the foundation got a large number of Bitcoins in that way.
> >
> > Anyway, this has clearly touched a nerve in the community. The
> crowd-funding 24hr response shows that.
> >
> >
> > On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:25 pm, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net> <genjix@???>> wrote:
> >
> > > this article is head in the clouds laa dee da that does not fit
> the reality.
> > >
> > > first of all bitcoin foundation should not be involved in
> development of
> > > bitcoin if that are interacting with the state. that means not
> paying
> > > salaries to people who exert undue influence over the protocol.
> > >
> > > if they choose to continue to be involved with bitcoin development
> then
> > > they should also support dark wallet, electrum, and hive (which
> are now
> > > combining as one project pooling our efforts).
> > >
> > > if they want to be involved in development, then the role should
> be in
> > > establishing a neutral space (which i have not seen be done and
> have no
> > > confidence will be done). i want to see more stick. I've seen some
> cliquey
> > > and sneaky behaviour coming from bitcoind devs. multiple instances
> of
> > > top-down commands (evoking that power when not neccessary) or
> shutting
> > > down debate over contentious issues.
> > >
> > > twice i contacted the foundation over issues where I was being
> unfairly
> > > placed at a disadvantage as a dev because of office politics
> (being taken
> > > off mailing lists .etc) but they refused to intervene. they are
> paying
> > > salaries of devs. I would have words if someone I was working with
> was
> > > acting like a cunt.
> > >
> > > I told this to elizabeth already, and she's a force for good
> working on
> > > bitcoin with pure motives.
> > >
> > > from a journalist friend of ours. he sent me this yesterday:
> > >
> > >> Just got a call from the bitcoin foundation. They wouldn't go on
> the
> > >> record to comment on the article but just kept telling me "off the
> > >> record" that you lot have no credibility and that a much better
> story is
> > >> some venture capitalist yesterday investing $9m in bitcoin...
> > >>
> > >
> > > can't stop laughing. ok, where is this 9 million. what is it
> doing? i
> > > haven't seen any of it yet. they have all the resources,
> leigitimacy and
> > > attention but what have they done. they are lost in the politics.
> > >
> > > we have donations from many, not 1 rich fascist. how will this 9
> million
> > > be used. the money from the community will go far, be collectively
> > > managed in a multisig and be used well. we don't waste 9 million on
> > > lawyers giving to people part of the state apparatus.
> > >
> > > why don't they go on record and back up their words?
> > >
> > > godspeed :) today we finally forced an important issue in bitcoin
> to the
> > > forefront. this is where we will make our stand for freedom and our
> > > values. great job cody for his mastermind work here.
> > >
> > >> The video is so fucken crazy. Thank God you’re a force for good.
> > >>
> > >> Another time and place you could work for the propaganda ministry
> of some
> > >> Eastern Block country. :)
> > >>
> > >> Check this out also, it’s a balanced piece doing the rounds:
> > >>
> > >>
> http://techliberation.com/2013/10/31/bitcoin-is-going-mainstream-here-is-why-cypherpunks-shouldnt-worry/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 1 Nov 2013, at 2:01 pm, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu> <codywilson@???>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'd like to thank everyone on this list especially for the
> tremendous
> > >>> response the Dark Wallet campaign received yesterday. Within 24
> hours we
> > >>> received just over 25k USD in combined contributions. Share the
> video if
> > >>> you haven't already. It seems to be popularizing the spirit of
> crypto.
> > >>> There is demand!
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net> <genjix@???>> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> We're doing a crowd funding campaign for DarkWallet soon. I'm looking
> for any material (especially from people here) that we can weave into
> a tapestry of our vision and ideals.
>
> How we are thinking, what we are working towards, what interests us, ...
>
> Articles, videos, images, forum posts, ... anything. We want to
> present something to the people
>
> * It's not only about the 'black market' but tools for the people, the
> limitations and the monopoly of money / economy.
> * Tools like DarkWallet are your own financial system, a free financial
> system.
> * It's important to talk about independence and community (organising
> together).
> * Everything from petrol, food, computers, even our health is
> manipulated.
> * Finance is one aspect, but we need to take back control of more
> things.
> * Silk Road: $1.2 billion market, 2 murders, >2 years. DPR is a hero.
> Compare that with something like producing rice and all the people
> that die.
> * More simply:
> ** Bitcoin = amazing scifi. The blockchain is incredible.
> ** No technical limitations. The limitations are human limitations.
> ** We will have all the tools, but we need the community.
> * Bitcoin Foun
>
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